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The sort-of hidden way to get the IPs of Tropers: ![]() Dumbo
The Shadows Devour You.
This is concerning.
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The IPs were actually in plain sight before. I think Fast Eddie doesn't want to completely remove them but I don't remember why.
edited 27th Sep '10 5:58:06 PM by Glowsquid ![]() 94. Grandmaster of Shark
Not everybody logs in all the time to edit an article, so if you want to see all edits of a certain troper, you can search for his IP instead.
But why would this be concerning?
edited 28th Sep '10 2:41:59 AM by eX 5 Fighteer, Mon, 27th Sep '10 6:08:16 PM from the Time Vortex
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This has been the case for quite some time. There was a large thread about it that was forgotten.
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Unless you are always using an un-NAT-ed, unfirewalled, always-on connection on a Windows machine, that shouldn't be much of a concern.
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9 Fighteer, Tue, 28th Sep '10 6:03:49 AM from the Time Vortex
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It's hardly a secret. It's hidden in a cursory way, but Eddie doesn't seem to share some people's paranoia about having your IP be discoverable. Is there any serious person who doesn't run a firewall?
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11 Fighteer, Tue, 28th Sep '10 6:17:45 AM from the Time Vortex
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No, the paranoid can figure out how to be paranoid without anyone's help. It's to provide a false sense of security for the casual troper who doesn't bother highlighting hidden text on a page.
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Technically there is no reason for IP addresses to be made public. If anything, I and any student I train would consider it grievious violations of the most basic tenens of P 3 P and social contract — after all, if Fast Eddie wants the numbers for examination or historical purposes, well, that's what server logs were made for.
Having them vievable in produced content however has the somewhat sane advantage of making people aware that "we are watching you so behave well". Not that it has too much of an effect. It sucks for the paranoid, even the sane ones, since you can't edit TV Tropes from most proxies, not even when registered with your handle, but I consider that a design fault similar to ptitles only made into feature what with the amounts of Natter some pages attract.
A practical solution would be having the IP addresses only viewable for registered handles which meet certain criteria (let's say having edited the same page). As said above, there is no reason why you want to expose your clientèle to the whole world when you only want the numbers for accountability purposes.
EDIT3d4fixingtropes... why is Horrible/Software missing? there were so many important things there...
edited 28th Sep '10 6:23:38 AM by SilentReverence 13 Fighteer, Tue, 28th Sep '10 6:33:21 AM from the Time Vortex
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The inability to edit from proxies is because of some pernicious and persistent trolls we've acquired over the years.
We discussed having IPs for known tropers only visible to people with mod privileges. I believe Eddie had a good reason for not implementing this but I don't recall it offhand.
Anyway, who the hell cares? People are so privacy-paranoid these days that they sweat the minor stuff while completely ignoring the real threats. If you're that concerned about it, don't edit the wiki. Hell, stay off the Internet.
edited 28th Sep '10 6:34:16 AM by Fighteer ![]() Conversation is a contact sport.
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Moderators aren't the only ones who spot attacks, and far fewer will be stopped unless people can detect ban evaders or the like using the same IP.
Anyone who really wants to hack you does not really need to see your IP publically to do so. Here, the safety of the wiki is more readily threatened by removing I Ps from edit histories than is the safety of editors ourselves.
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Maybe we should go back to having the IPs in plain black text instead of sneaky white, so people know they're there and don't feel deceived when they discover it.
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But it's not only name-handled tropers who help out by reporting problem-makers. We've gotten useful alerts from non-handled contributors as well.
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The biggest security threat to the average forum user is that over time they give out enough information to be traceable by someone obsessive enough. IP address is only a tiny part of that, and not hugely useful; most of us are on ISP dynamic address pools anyway, and all you're going to get is a rough idea of location (down to the county, perhaps, or big city).
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If they work Try a SOCKS proxy.
"Who watches the watchmen?"
21 Fighteer, Wed, 29th Sep '10 6:48:57 AM from the Time Vortex
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We've shut down editing from most proxies due to vandalism.
![]() 24 Fighteer, Wed, 29th Sep '10 11:24:26 AM from the Time Vortex
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Sorry, Eddie, I know you allow proxies to read the wiki, but I thought that actual editing was restricted. Secondhand information...
The system doesn't know you right now, so no post button for you.
You need to Get Known to get one of those.
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