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How "deep" is your work?:

 1 Voltech 44, Sat, 23rd Oct '10 8:42:56 PM from Alongside a Virtual Weasel
All Guns Sparking
I was talking to a friend of mine the other day who'd started reading some of my stuff, and he said there were a lot of "good ideas" in them. I told him half-jokingly that some of it was an accident, and to be fair that's probably a pretty good description of it. Even so, I think that I've got a few themes and thoughts that'll give the story something for readers to digest...you know, between all the Street Fighter references.

That said, what do you guys think about your stories? Does it have some complex themes? Philosophical nods? Social commentary? Something else that sounds smart? Or does your stuff Just for Fun, and lives on the Rule of Cool?

Let's hear it!

edited 23rd Oct '10 8:43:48 PM by Voltech44

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 2 Major Tom, Sat, 23rd Oct '10 8:44:57 PM Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Eye'm the cutest!
All over the place.
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 3 Furiko Maru, Sat, 23rd Oct '10 8:49:11 PM from The Arrogant Wasteland Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
Reverse the Curse
Ya really think a young nerd is the right person to ask about depth? [lol]

Saa... I'd say the readers' feet will definitely still be touching bottom, but that they'd have to tilt their chins up reasonably high to stand with feet flat and breathe at the same time. The deep bit of the shallow end.

edited 23rd Oct '10 8:49:49 PM by FurikoMaru

I try capturing a facet of 'being alive' and 'feeling' in my works. The raw experience to be interpreted by the reader. That said, I don't consciously squish philosophy in as a party flavour, but just let it flow, let it flow, let it flow.

 5 OOZE, Sat, 23rd Oct '10 8:54:50 PM from Transsexual,Transylvania
Don't feed the plants!
I started out going purely for psychological horror but it's been gaining more political relevance as I continue expanding it.
I'm feeling strangely happy now, contented and serene. Oh don't you see, finally I'll be, somewhere that's green...
An accurate depiction
Mine jumps between transhumanist examination of what creates a man and ends in Mechanical Computer Zombies.

That being said, these two are often brought together for a Sword Fight during which the participants discuss theories ranging from Buddhism to Nietzsche and kick tanks around.

edited 23rd Oct '10 9:28:50 PM by Morgulion

This is this.
God rules!
Eh, references to theories and obscure works.

Mostly psychological stuff though. The rest is Just for Fun .
"Jesus is always the answer." - People who drift off in Sunday School.
Heading for tomorrow
Being "deep" is one of those things that it's a bit easy to get caught up in. Writers should remember that things like that are a means to an end, not the ends in themselves.
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"'Bloody Pussies' cracked me up"
I'd like to think of my work like an onion.

It's not something you'd like to consume raw.
The Blood God's design consultant.
 10 drunkscriblerian, Sat, 23rd Oct '10 9:58:46 PM from Castle Geekhaven Relationship Status: In season
Street Writing Man
Mine's pretty dark...whether it's deep or not is open to interpretation. It's not designed to be lighthearted at least.

My works are all set in the same world, a steampunk-flavored setting VERY loosely based on 19th century Europe.

-"The Piece of Virtue" is the story of an underage prostitute and the mercenary she hires to protect her after she witnesses the murder of a powerful politician.

-"The Ultimatum" concerns an atomic bomb-style device being sought after by terrorists, governments and pretty much everyone who finds out about it.

-"The Silver Circle" is about a girl getting drawn into a Masons/Crowley-type cult, and how she deals with the recruitment and pressure.

Each has a bit of commentary (or at least pointing up of a problem), but I try not to preach through my writing. When I want to make a point I'll post/write an essay about it, and when I want to tell a story I'll tell a story.

Really though, depth is in the eye of the beholder. When and if I get published y'all can decide for yourselves.
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 11 KSPAM, Sat, 23rd Oct '10 10:14:37 PM Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
HYPE LEVELS APPROACHING MAXIMUM
Being a mere seventeen, I can't say I've actually read much philosophy. That said, I do tend to revisit Order Versus Chaos, which more frequently boils down to examining insanity in its various facets. Examining our race's asshole nature is fun, as is bringing up the value of a single life just for drama. I also enjoy poking around a wee bit with the Nietzsche Wannabe and the total and utter soul-crushing that would produce such a person.

In short, I just love putting my characters through hell evil grin
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 12 drunkscriblerian, Sat, 23rd Oct '10 10:19:14 PM from Castle Geekhaven Relationship Status: In season
Street Writing Man
^I think that is a Writer Commandment; Thou Shalt Not Let Thy Protagonist Have Any Peace Until The End.

I certainly wouldn't want to meet any of my characters in real life; once they found out I was responsible for their suffering, they'd murder me. :)
If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed.

~Cora M. Strayer~
 13 deathjavu, Sat, 23rd Oct '10 10:20:40 PM from The internet, obviously
This foreboding is fa...
I dunno, I always got the impression from English classes and such that "depth" was something you could find anywhere if you tried hard enough.

But I guess some fiction make it easier than others.

I'd also say that I would be the worst person to ask about the depth of my work, because I'm reading a lot of things that aren't necessarily there on the page, but in my head.

^^&^Oh yeah, and that. My poor characters, they go through so much. But for the most part they soldier on. Soldier on to new suffering, that is.

edited 23rd Oct '10 10:25:24 PM by deathjavu

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 14 KSPAM, Sat, 23rd Oct '10 10:21:57 PM Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
HYPE LEVELS APPROACHING MAXIMUM
My characters would hate me. On the list of things that've happened to a number of my characters:

  • Child Soldiers
  • Theyd Cut You Up (BIG TIME)
  • Doomed Hometown (many times over)
  • The Virus claiming a friend or family member and then having them kill them
  • A villain posing as a good guy, playing the whole cast before revealing that he kicks dogs as the finisher to his morning breakfast
  • General mass slaughter, usually the hero's fault

edited 23rd Oct '10 10:25:58 PM by KSPAM

Team? You mean cannon fodder? — neobowman

Yankee Chain Blues
 15 drunkscriblerian, Sat, 23rd Oct '10 10:24:36 PM from Castle Geekhaven Relationship Status: In season
Street Writing Man
^I wouldn't confront my main male character without the National Guard backing me up. Poor bastard...I've been so cruel to him. :)
If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed.

~Cora M. Strayer~
 16 Furiko Maru, Sat, 23rd Oct '10 10:38:20 PM from The Arrogant Wasteland Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
Reverse the Curse
Dare would probably leave me alive.

Unfortunately. *winces*

 17 Psycho Frea X, Sat, 23rd Oct '10 10:40:08 PM from Transcended Humanity
If you want depth, then I suggest you don't force them into your story though. In MY opinion parts of my story are pretty deep. But we don't know that until I show it off do we ^^.

But my advice is that you shouldn't just take whatever themes that most people consider deep and shove them into your story, so that it seems more sophisticated. But rather learn about depth. Take some interest in the world and philosophy. Think of which themes you're interested in. Whether it's judgment, human virtues, finding belonging, confidence etc. Just think which theme relates to you, or even better, learning to relate to other themes(if you can ^^).

I myself just naturally have themes in my story that "I" relate to. Solely because it touches my soul. Plus, even when I have not yet understood other themes, I find curiosity and learn about it.

edited 23rd Oct '10 10:45:36 PM by PsychoFreaX

Moronic, pretentious fan
I do have some themes going on, mostly questions about the value of following your dreams and people masking their true selves from others. Don't know if I could really call it 'deep', there's a little too much emphasis on Rule of Cool.

Oh, and existentialist ideas crop up in my work subconsciously anyway, simply because of my own Kierkegaard-esque views on life.

edited 23rd Oct '10 11:42:59 PM by AsTheAnointed

Because I choose to.
Look at my avvy and title and sig and tell me how deep do you think my work shall be.

As deep as one could expect from a work that involves Byzantino-German Cataphracts in Japan - either very, or zero
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 20 drunkscriblerian, Sun, 24th Oct '10 12:15:45 AM from Castle Geekhaven Relationship Status: In season
Street Writing Man
^can't actually make a judgment from that description. I'd have to read it.
If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed.

~Cora M. Strayer~
 21 Dr Furball, Sun, 24th Oct '10 12:28:30 AM from All Along the Watchtower Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
So awesome, it hurts!
Mine's a wacky Widget Series set in a high school. Although there is strong continuity and some character development throughout, it's pretty lighthearted. However, there is an underlying Aseop that "you shouldn't let the opinions of others change who you are".

I'm not aiming for depth, overall. I'm aiming for laughs.
 22 Nomic, Sun, 24th Oct '10 1:56:42 AM from beyond the Void
Exitus Acta Probat
Both LHP and the Zaran Comic are comedic. LHP will have longer stories where the protagonists occasionally face off againt bad guys or monsters, but they still contain a lot of humour. However, I like inroducing some more serious elements into the mix, even if they're generally dealt with in a humorous fashion (some stories dealing with stuff like importance of free will and end not justifying the means). It gets more serious towards the very end when the Big Bad finally reveals the full extend of his plans.

Cogito ergo cogito
I have two scenarios.

1 - so deep that I even don't get it.

2 - not deep at all.

I'd opt for the second one as the more likely option.
'It's gonna rain!'
Not sure. Being a space opera, I'm pretty sure it was heading towards pulpier-than-pulp until recently; I think now it's starting to expand a bit more. See sig to judge for yourself, but overall I'd say I'm aiming for it to be deeper than it currently is.
What's depth?
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