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It's ALL text: Even Evil Has Standards get usage counts

When you see the Joker say Nazi with that face in the first panel and look at the second panel how can you not see that it is a swastika?

Because it's obscured from view. And when I see the Joker say, "Nazi, " why would I have to look at the Red Skull?

edited 11th Feb '11 3:03:22 PM by SeanMurrayI

 102 Japanese Teeth, Fri, 11th Feb '11 3:03:10 PM from Meinong's jungle Relationship Status: Mu
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I agree that the swastika isn't immediately noticeable (I didn't see it until someone pointed it out), but I still think that the picture works because:

1. The Joker's expression adds to the image.

2. We don't have another picture anyway, and there's nothing objectively wrong with this one other than the fact that some people believe it's too text heavy. While it is text heavy, it isn't completely reliant on text, so I have no problem with using it until we find a better one.
 103 Ghilz, Fri, 11th Feb '11 3:06:55 PM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Heh. I'm the one that suggested this in the first place, and my opinion is that this is barely passable. Honestly if I were given any other option I'd go for it. One can say all that stuff about the image adding to the dialogue, but in the end, it barely does.

The Joker: You mean that's not some crazy disguise?? I've been working with a Nazi?!? That mask must be cutting oxygen to your brain. I may be a criminal lunatic but I'm an American criminal lunatic. Keep back boys! This creep is mine!

You are going to tell me the image changes the content of that quote? No, not really. The image is passable, and the only reason I'd consider putting it on the page is coz we have no viable alternative.
 104 Willbyr, Fri, 11th Feb '11 5:11:39 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Alright, this pic is clearly too much of a problem to be worthy of consideration beyond a page quote. Hence, I suggest the first and last panels of this Sinfest strip.

edited 11th Feb '11 5:12:38 PM by Willbyr

How is that any different?
 106 Willbyr, Fri, 11th Feb '11 5:20:59 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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[up] Any pic we use for the page is going to have some text; the trope makes this damn near impossible to avoid. The question is, how can we convey the trope adequately using a small amount of text? That's why I originally went with the O Ot S suggestion, but as I'm a Sinfest fan, and this is both good for the trope and rather humorous to me, I felt it was appropriate to suggest.

edited 11th Feb '11 5:24:18 PM by Willbyr

Ah. I see. I thought you were suggesting that for importance of the visual aspect.

I suppose I can't say if that's better, since I'm not one of the ones with a problem with texty images for this article.
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I still dont see a problem with the pic... Crowner?
 109 Dragon Quest Z, Fri, 11th Feb '11 6:16:56 PM from Somewhere in California
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"And when I see the Joker say, "Nazi, " why would I have to look at the Red Skull?"

Because the Joker is looking at him when he says it.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
It is almost never true that the graphical part of an image adds literally nothing.
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 111 Japanese Teeth, Fri, 11th Feb '11 6:49:32 PM from Meinong's jungle Relationship Status: Mu
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[up]I agree. It might not add a whole lot, but the Joker and Red Skull image is definitely better than one with only text. That said, if we can find an image without so much text, I'm all for it.
I think the reason this works is that the Joker is one of the few characters that are on The List, and his expression of disgust really helps demonstrate that he, a renowned psychopathic murderer, is disgusted at someone else's evil.

 113 Vorpy, Fri, 11th Feb '11 8:46:23 PM from from from from from from
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 114 Japanese Teeth, Fri, 11th Feb '11 9:34:03 PM from Meinong's jungle Relationship Status: Mu
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I'm not sure if that's this trope, though. That situation would be more Pet the Dog.

edited 11th Feb '11 9:34:17 PM by JapaneseTeeth

 115 Willbyr, Fri, 11th Feb '11 9:49:42 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Wiki-sized (and before anyone asks, yes, this is on the page):

edited 11th Feb '11 9:51:36 PM by Willbyr

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The question is, how can we convey the trope adequately using a small amount of text?

Why do we even need to ask this question? The ONLY question we should concern ourselves with is "Does the image demonstrate the trope?" (And, then, "Does the image demonstrate the trope better than the other alternatives?")

I categorically reject the notion that "little or no text" is either a necessary or a desirable criterion.
I do like that. I'd prefer the two frame version if only for succinctness.

 118 Willbyr, Fri, 11th Feb '11 10:14:56 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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[up][up] In general, I agree. I don't have a problem with a texty pic but if A and B both work as options and A has fewer words than B, it's almost certainly going to be a better option for a page pic.
^Pretty much that. I think images should use as little text as is needed to convey the trope. This is a trope for which all the images we can find need text, and that's fine.
 120 Dragon Quest Z, Sat, 12th Feb '11 4:23:03 PM from Somewhere in California
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The thing is that it's a parody, and in that regard, the The Order of the Stick picture from earlier would qualify.

Should we make a crowner over which picture should be used.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
If nobody has alternatives, it's crowner time.
 122 Troacctid, Sat, 12th Feb '11 4:32:51 PM from California
Some more examples from the examples page, just to throw them out there: [1] [2]

Not that great, though.

edited 12th Feb '11 4:33:38 PM by troacctid

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 123 Willbyr, Sun, 13th Feb '11 3:08:35 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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[up] I considered that first one, but I didn't think it would work with fewer panels as well as the Sinfest example; you pretty much need the entire strip for the setup to the last panel. The second one, pretty meh on. I'm definitely thinking it's crowner time.

edited 13th Feb '11 3:09:57 AM by Willbyr

 124 Deboss, Mon, 14th Feb '11 5:04:24 AM from Awesomeville Texas
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[up]One of the problems I have with that one is that (being unfamiliar with the characters and artist's style) I'm not even sure what I'm looking at. With closed eyes and no previous context, it's hard to tell even that the character on the left is a character, for instance.

edited 14th Feb '11 5:41:06 AM by suedenim

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