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I think that in some ways Bakuman is worse than Death Note in the handling of gender because in Bakuman, the authors don't just indulge in sexist thinking and behavior - they actually attempt to justify it and portray it as a positive thing.
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This is getting interesting. The interaction between Iwase and Niizuma is badass.

328 Neo_Crimson11th Jun 2010 06:08:42 AM from behind your lines.
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The facial expressions are great as always. And Eiji continues to be awesome.
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edited 11th Jun '10 10:43:15 AM by Roman

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Nice chapter. Wonder if Miura will get a lot of credit for pushing Iwase when he really had nothing to do with it.
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I hereby impose this theme on Iwase/Niizuma:

But without the video... that's just creeepy.
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New chapter's out!.

Time passes, and I don't see Bakuman coming out on the shelves here. Perhaps the blatant sexism made it unpublishable?

Saiko is channelling his inner Simon?

edited 18th Jun '10 5:09:51 PM by RawPower

333 SKJAM18th Jun 2010 08:17:37 PM , Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
I don't know about your country (Spain, I would guess?) but here in the USA the first volume's due in a couple of months, as Shounen Jump USA did a big push on it. They presumably hope the other awesome bits will make the audience not care about the sexism.
Or maybe they thought that since Death Note did so well, it won't matter.

I like the design of the new assistants. I feel a little pity for Nakai, but he's still a jerk, so nyeh.

Also, "PCP" immediately made me think of the whole 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds is a reference to drugs' thing.
335 Anarchy18th Jun 2010 10:15:47 PM from Perak, Malaysia
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Maybe this is the Death Note fanatic in me talking, but the new assistants somehow look to me like cartoonish versions of Lind. L Taylor and Near.

And I could smell the twist coming as soon as they both introduced themselves.

It's not like I can't respect Lind-expy for his dedication to art, but as someone who wants to get published, his attitude is surprisingly naive in contrast to Near-expy, who doesn't even want to be a mangaka.

I actually like how they're both foils to each other, but right now Near-expy seems more appealing from a reader's viewpoint.
Shiratori really looked like a girl... and is he another "manga genius"? Never draw manga before, doesn't want to a mangaka, but is the best background artist among the 3.
337 Anarchy19th Jun 2010 12:45:56 AM from Perak, Malaysia
just a medicine seller
Well, he applied to art school, so I assume that he must have art training before.

EDIT: But they wouldn't have made him a real girl because as we know all girls can't draw. IT'S A MEN'S WORLD.

edited 19th Jun '10 12:46:59 AM by Anarchy

Sexism complain again? Its there, but its minor (at least to me), and it getting tiring seeing a few lines/character in the manga being made a big deal.
339 Anarchy19th Jun 2010 02:34:49 AM from Perak, Malaysia
just a medicine seller
Uh... the comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously. If the all caps didn't alert you to that.
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341 A_H_R19th Jun 2010 12:29:04 PM from Crevice of your Mind
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@Kalandra: ^^^ Do you really want to start that argument? I should warn you there are some very temperamental Straw Feminist s that read Bakuman, myself included.

Also, the character interaction was interesting this time around to say the least. The two new characters seemed a bit to hasty to yell out what their character traits were IMO.

edited 19th Jun '10 12:29:31 PM by A_H_R

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Characters as Device and getting Establishing Character Moment out of the way in order to deliver an Author Tract.

edited 19th Jun '10 2:05:17 PM by RawPower

343 A_H_R19th Jun 2010 02:06:43 PM from Crevice of your Mind
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It was a good message, I think, but I do think it should've been second issue material...
344 Neo_Crimson20th Jun 2010 12:51:40 PM from behind your lines.
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I do agree with the message too, and it didn't feel much like an Author Tract to me.

Also Raw, The sexism, while it does exist, is nowhere near enough to make it unpublishable. Really, stop exaggerating.
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345 Anarchy20th Jun 2010 06:36:51 PM from Perak, Malaysia
just a medicine seller
Many sexist works of fiction have been, and are, routinely published. Just because something is publishable doesn't automatically mean it is not sexist.
346 Neo_Crimson21st Jun 2010 03:47:13 PM from behind your lines.
Your army sucks.
I'm not saying that, I'm saying that from the way Raw is making it out to be something on the level of Shredded Moose.
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^... Shredded Moose is at least stupid. Bakuman is smart about their sexism.
348 Gilphon21st Jun 2010 04:45:15 PM from The Third Sound , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
... You're overstating it. Iwase's portrayal isn't great, there was that one speal Takagi made a while back and a few offhand remarks scattered throughout. That's hardy enough to make it unpublishable.
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349 A_H_R21st Jun 2010 04:47:28 PM from Crevice of your Mind
Resistance is Futile
If it'll sell, they'll publish. Bakuman, despite the sexism, is still written by the same guys as Death Note, which got its own little goth following. Not to mention I despise the sexism, but I still enjoy this series greatly.
350 Anarchy21st Jun 2010 05:01:23 PM from Perak, Malaysia
just a medicine seller
Again, I don't see why "publishable" is even a factor in this discussion. Lots of publishable works are sexist.

Also the fact that it originally ran in Japan; I assume that people there would be more open to this kind of attitude.

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