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I thought DEEN still has the f/sn anime rights?

Also, I wish we could move on from fate already. Is a Mahoutsukai No Yoru adaptation to much to ask for?

edited 12th Jul '13 3:04:17 PM by Hylarn

Nothing exists but you. And you are but a thought
vicarious
I guess not anymore. It has not yet been confirmed Heaven's Feel adaptation, just that ufotable is working on a F/SN piece.

That said, a Mahoyo adaptation would be wonderful and for more hopeful wishes, a good Tsukihime anime. Type Moon must really love their status now.

 14829 Simply Whatever, Thu, 1st Aug '13 3:11:58 PM from bla bla bla
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[up][up] According to an interview/Q&A with Gen Urobuchi, (note: there's probably a few spoilers there for some of his works like Madoka Magica and Gargantia, in case anyone cares) the upcoming Fate/stay Night anime will be based on Unlimited Blade Works.

Q: Are you involved in the ufotable F/SN remake? Heaven's Feel is the only route not adapted yet, and since Fate/Zero is closely related to it, I thought you could be involved. A: I don't know a lot about it, I'm not involved. But if I remember correctly it's an Unlimited Blade Works adaption.

Unrelated: I recently finished New Getter Robo, and I'm not sure what to think about the ending. Also, it kind of makes me hate badass characters a little now. In the later episodes, Ryoma is apparently so awesome that Hayato and Benkei are almost unnecessary. Even though this was supposed to be a team-piloted robot. And I seriously can't tell if the ending meant they successfully prevented that horrible future Ryoma saw.

edited 1st Aug '13 3:12:19 PM by SimplyWhatever

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Oho? An actual anime for UBW instead of that crappy movie? Neat.

 14831 Fluid, Thu, 1st Aug '13 3:46:57 PM from The Netherlands
Unrelated: I recently finished New Getter Robo, and I'm not sure what to think about the ending. Also, it kind of makes me hate badass characters a little now.

It's something I've been hearing frequently about New. Apparently, people find this portrayal of the protagonists to be too psychopathic, beyond the level of anti-hero portrayed in the other adaptations. Whether or not that's your taste is up to you, of course.

 14832 Simply Whatever, Thu, 1st Aug '13 4:17:42 PM from bla bla bla
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[up] Well, I started reading the original manga, and the characters' personalities at least strike me as similar to the New versions. Hayato does mutilate a guy's head just because, and Ryoma was discovered by the professor because he decided to beat up everybody at a karate tournament to show them how much they suck. I honestly wondered "why is this dude a hero?" about Hayato during NGR's early episodes, but now it doesn't bother me as much after seeing him in the manga.

My main problem with New is how the story treated Ryoma in comparison to Hayato and Benkei. Ryoma's badassitude is emphasized so much that it undermines the whole idea of having a team pilot the robot.

edited 1st Aug '13 4:18:56 PM by SimplyWhatever

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 14833 Fluid, Thu, 1st Aug '13 4:22:01 PM from The Netherlands
 14834 Demongodofchaos 2, Thu, 1st Aug '13 8:13:55 PM from Reality Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
I am become death, Destroyer of worlds
[up][up] I'd say just roll with it.

Besides, Dinosuars riding dinosaurs.
I don't fight for good, and I don't fight for evil, I JUST FIGHT!

 14835 burnpsy, Thu, 1st Aug '13 8:18:19 PM from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Abstaining
 14836 Physical Stamina, Thu, 1st Aug '13 8:55:18 PM from be real, it doesn't matter aaanywaaaaaaay Relationship Status: If you like it, then you shoulda put a ring on it
I like meat too much.
Here's my excuse: I don't read manga.

(except for one that I only look at because of Bile Fascination)
SCHULTZ! OFFICE!!!
 14837 vicarious, Thu, 1st Aug '13 9:08:54 PM from NC, USA
vicarious
There is no confirmed route for Fate adaption. Remember this. As for Gen's comments, it's prudent to take it with a large load of salt; he is not involved at all, and UBW comment could just be him remembering the UBW movie from '11.

 14838 Marq FJA, Fri, 2nd Aug '13 4:04:13 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
[up][up][up] Who are these "art-stealing profiteering criminals" that they're talking about? If it's fan scanlators, then I'd like to see hard evidence that they're actually making profits from their work.

That said... My main reason is the very last one, and I doubt it would be solved any time soon. Comics isn't a thriving industry in Saudi Arabia, and is by and large seen as solely the domain of children entertainment anyway.

edited 2nd Aug '13 4:05:44 AM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 14839 burnpsy, Fri, 2nd Aug '13 4:27:27 AM from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Abstaining
The Eternal Fool
Who are these "art-stealing profiteering criminals" that they're talking about? If it's fan scanlators, then I'd like to see hard evidence that they're actually making profits from their work.

I think it's referring to the stores that leak issues of the magazine a week early, which has the negative effect of having the raws, and thus the scanlations, come out before issues are released in Japan.

Shueisha has been trying to track down these stores and ban them from stocking the magazine.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if scanlators for especially popular series turned a profit from ad revenue. It certainly isn't much of a cost to buy manga in Japan when issues are so cheap. An issue of Shonen Sunday is currently 200 yen, for example. Not to mention sites like Mangafox that simply steal scanlations without spending a cent outside their servers and gain the benefits of the combined popularity from all of the manga they can host. (I remember one particular scanlator putting a post on their site a few years back complaining that their profits were taken away by such sites. I think the scanlator in question was... Extras?)

As for Saudi Arabia being unlikely, it is, but there's always a chance that they may be able to secure the rights for "worldwide (except *insert list of countries with conflicting licenses*)" like Crunchyroll does for some of their anime.

edited 2nd Aug '13 4:35:55 AM by burnpsy

 14840 Simply Whatever, Fri, 2nd Aug '13 4:56:12 AM from bla bla bla
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[up]x7 strangely, NGR Hayato kinda mellows out after the introduction episodes, and he didn't seem like a murderous raving lunatic who would kill people just because anymore. On the one hand, it made him more of a good guy, on the other, it was a little jarring for a character to seem to change so quickly.

[up]x6 Uh, roll with what exactly? The characters' general psychopathy, or Ryoma's tendency to overshadow people to the point it's almost no longer a team story? And yes, the Dinosaur Empire is awesome.
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 14841 SKJAM, Fri, 2nd Aug '13 5:53:51 AM from Minneapolis Relationship Status: Cast away
Great and Powerful
J Manga did pretty well with getting worldwide distribution before whatever financial problems they had caused them to implode. Viz should be able to get there eventually.
 14842 Yamii Denryuu, Fri, 2nd Aug '13 7:34:17 AM from You know, that place Relationship Status: Chocolate!
become god kurrin
I don't buy Shonen Jump because none of the manga in in interest me. :P But I have multiple bookshelves worth of manga volumes, so I'm probably not the ones they're targeting with this. Nice to see them doing their best to make their products accessible and worth the price.
Sam just... punched his own face and died in a marsh. And Pippin got lost, and Frodo was dead.
 14843 probablyinsane, Fri, 2nd Aug '13 7:49:53 AM Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
A long time ago, when I was fairly crazy about Naruto - I took the trouble of importing the English Shonen Jump magazine. And yeah, I was dubbed "insane" for throwing my money at it cause ya know - not only do I get the magazine months later, I paid twice or thrice the cover price.

These days though, there's no series in SJ which compels me to throw money at it. The series I'm throwing money at right now was decreed by one of their editors as "not Jump material".
Half of a social justice battle is simply convincing people that a problem is real or that a pattern exists. ~Nihonjinron Gakusei
I do agree that scanlators getting the raws before the Japanese public is a bit annoying, though. We're getting it for free, that's enough. Getting it before the people who actually pay for it seems unnecessary and maybe even a little unethical.
 14845 kiukiuclk, Fri, 2nd Aug '13 10:08:55 AM from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
Unfortunately, the price argument kinda falls apart unless you like the majority of the series. If they divided the price by 10 and let people pay by series I think it would work alot better.

[up]Actually, it's just the japanese public who don't go to the right stores. But yeah, I agree with you.

[up]No it doesn't. Weekly series have 8-9 chapter volumes. At more then 5 volumes per year per series on average, you're paying $5 per volume if you like even one series.

Okay it is lower quality then the collected volumes, but if you like 3 of the series it's 1.67 per volume.

edited 2nd Aug '13 12:56:04 PM by supermerlin100

The road to exploding boats is paved with good intentions.
 14847 Yamii Denryuu, Fri, 2nd Aug '13 1:22:43 PM from You know, that place Relationship Status: Chocolate!
become god kurrin
Not to mention you get the Shonen Jump chapters well before the volumes come out.

Anyway, watched the first episode of Dog Days. Did... did that little green girl just make a bunch of people explode into kittens? This is beautiful.
Sam just... punched his own face and died in a marsh. And Pippin got lost, and Frodo was dead.
 14848 SKJAM, Fri, 2nd Aug '13 1:39:16 PM from Minneapolis Relationship Status: Cast away
Great and Powerful
If you only like one or two of the series, you can wait for the collected edition of just those series.

I can see where they would want to present Shonen Jump as a magazine, a full experience, rather than as a sushi bar where you only grab your favorite from the turntable and pretend the rest of the selection doesn't exist.
 14849 kiukiuclk, Fri, 2nd Aug '13 3:49:51 PM from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
The western markets are more used to the comics model, where series are individual however. It's an interesting decision, esp with digital distribution where there isn't much of a difference for them. Although aggregation could also ruin the "you can save them forever" bit. It would be kind of annoying to not be able to organize them by series. I find it an interesting decision at least.

The meal analogy doesn't really work, as a meal goes together. This is just a collection of series that are popular enough to merit publication. The music industry had the same problem really.

edited 2nd Aug '13 3:53:22 PM by kiukiuclk

 14850 burnpsy, Fri, 2nd Aug '13 5:08:08 PM from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Abstaining
The Eternal Fool
Two things, kiukiuclk:

Unfortunately, the price argument kinda falls apart unless you like the majority of the series. If they divided the price by 10 and let people pay by series I think it would work alot better.

The price here is already pretty ridiculously low. $25.99 for 48 issues means you're paying just over $0.54 per issue. You want to pay less than that? Seriously? I'm almost surprised they can even cover costs at that price.

Even if you only like one series, reading it through the weekly magazine is the equivalent of paying $5.40 per digital volume, which Viz normally charges $4.99 for. So you pay 41 cents extra to get them simultaneous with the Japanese release, if you're just after the one series.

Not to mention that some of the Yu-Gi-Oh! promos they give just for being subscribed can be sold for prices in the $100 range, and the cheapest ones typically go for at least $20 if you get rid of them before they're reprinted outside of Jump (which usually takes upwards of a year). The subscription pays for itself and then some.

Actually, it's just the japanese public who don't go to the right stores.

What is a "right" store in this context? A store that sells issues early? No, if they went to those stores, Shueisha would be able to pinpoint the infringing stores more easily.

edited 2nd Aug '13 5:12:29 PM by burnpsy

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