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AFGNCAAP finishes this thing (Children of Dune: The Film of the Book):
X_XI can call it that because I am AFGNCAAP's clone. Do not let the feline appearnce fool you; it was just for the hell of it. From the Liveblog List thread:
I'm bored, and this forum needs more unwarranted Tezuka references, PSL and shouting about costume design. So, I am soon finishing what I started by liveblogging the sci fi channel's Children of Dune. Obtaining of the movie is pending; time for me to start speed reading so I know what's going on when the liveblog starts (soon). Keep an eye out for the thread!See, when I threaten you, I bloody mean it. From the applicable article:
The Sci-Fi Channel also adapted Messiah and Children into a second three-part miniseries in 2003, which was substantially better in some people's opinion (though its ending was much more ambiguous than that of the novel and doesn't provide a suitable lead-in to God Emperor.)Supposedly, the Budget Gods were a lot nicer to the filmmakers this time, and the effects, props, costumes (please oh please oh please...), etc, were more timely. That doesn't change the things many don't like about the Dune books that came after the first. Personally, though, I'm enjoying the exponentially rising WTF-ness level—makes for nice liveblogging material, in any case. Oh, and there are a few different actors. Let's see if any left who I liked.
BEYOND THIS POINT DWELL SPOILERS. DO NOT ENTER UNLESS YOU HAVE TRAINED PAST LEVEL 11 OR ARE A MEMBER OF THEIR FACTION (you dirty defector).Update pending for tonight.
edited 27th Feb '10 5:55:34 PM by harmattane
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Rock OnHey, nice. Haven't seen the miniseries in a while, but I quite liked it.
X_XHello again! Let's start this thing by liveblogging the opening credits and scaring everyone away. So... -*starts up film* ... -*starts up film* Wait a minute...ugh. I think I accidentally deleted VLC when I was cleaning up my hard drive a while back; wait a few lines. ...re-downloading... ...booting up... ...all right. Here we go. We've got the title card, and—oh, skipping the credits for a blank white screen. Who knows what goes on behind the void? Ice planet things, apparently, because the white comes from snow. We see some sort of bunker. So they are going to do this scene. Something secret is going on here, on the last planet the authorities would think to search for plotters: Bizarro Arrakis. Wait; correction—that's not a bunker. It's a flag, and now there's a "a battle took place here" Dead People Montage while Princess Irulan does what she does best: exposition. There has been a timeskip of twelve years since the last movie, during which a bunch of people died in the galactic crusades of Muad'dib (aka Paul Atreides). But today, on the planet
edited 28th Feb '10 2:26:07 AM by harmattane
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X_XSo, what now? Back on Arrakis, Chani (I think she is also a new actress, as I almost just confused her with Alia) wears an extremely strange headband. I wonder where they got the random fur piece—definitely off-planet. Meanwhile, an ornithopter approaches, but she takes no notice, asking a maid why it is that she cannot conceive. I suppose the pregnancy did not work out after all. The maid suggests—HAT. Ah, oddly enough, I'm glad to see a return of the crazy hats. But, what the maid says—she suggests that someone is putting a contraceptive in Chani's food, or something along those lines. All they can do is find medicine to counteract it. Elsewhere, Paul gets very distracted during a board meeting, having another vision of his future son—really. Also, a Guild ambassador is going to visit, which Stilgar does not approve of, remembering all the trouble they caused last time. No one is sure why Paul invited them. Irulan puzzles over this later, only to be interrupted by Chani, who is all "You know what you did." Irulan admits to use of the contraceptives and claims that as Paul's official wife, she is the one who should have their child. Chani disagrees—"official" is the key word here, and official only. Paul loves her. Back on Salusa Secundus, Irulan's nephew is set up to rule the empire someday, but even being a little kid, he doesn't want to do it. His mother is unsympathetic. But where is Scytale? Why, on the other side of space, being invited into the house of one of Paul's military leaders for a visit. This cannot end well. The two of them chat for a while, and it comes out that the guy's son is blind due to injuries sustained in the battle on Naraj. Possibly deaf, too, as he doesn't even turn his head when Scytale loudly kills his father with a poisoned dart. IN SPACE: A couple of Paul's men arrest the Reverend Mother. Is the conspiracy endangered? Doubtful. ON THE GROUND: the Guild is here. Hey, I thought no one was supposed to see their navigators. Seen or unseen, though, they've come to deliver a "gift" courtesy of Ms. Corrino: one tribble. Oh, come on; it would have worked way, way better. Scytale's supposed pet project removes his hood, thinking, "What was the name of the guy Scytale said I look like again? Photo did not look like me at all. That blonde chap is never going to buy it. I want to go back to the mailroom..." But he does buy it, despite Stilgar's insistence that Paul sends the ghola away. Notably, in the book, it was actually said ghola who told Paul that he was a trap and not to accept him, earning copious woobie points. Paul still refused, though, feeling responsible for his repaired dead friend. In another room, Irulan visits the imprisoned Reverend Mother. In hand signals, the latter tells the former to kill any child that Chani bears. A while later, Paul interrupts as Alia fights several battle droid-like things, bringing news that the daughter of one of his high-ranking men was found dead a short distance into the desert. Alia and the ghola are to go and investigate, and with that helluva setup, that's where I'll leave off.
edited 1st Mar '10 2:25:46 AM by harmattane
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X_XOops; I forgot to put something mildly important in the first post: my liveblog of the precursor to this film. So, here, in case you want it. Dune (2000)
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X_XSorry; not tonight (whoever's reading...). I'm going to cover all of these instances now by saying that a few days between updates isn't a sign of death.
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X_XYeah, that was a little too long, but something bad happened to my computer, and I needed to leave it alone for a while. I'll be back tonight.
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The Ant KingI remember seing half of this movie once. I'll be following it. It would be interesting to see them adapt God-Emperor Of Dune.
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Rock OnInteresting is one way to put it...I think this is about as far as you go with most Dune adaptations before it becomes really hard to do, and possibly alienating your audience. This is making me want to watch it again, though.
It would be interesting to see them adapt God-Emperor Of Dune....adapt? That's moving too fast for this humble species. It cannot be done until we learn to print the book without spoiling Leto's sandworm hybrid form on the front cover. Seriously, though, that would be...difficult. However the attempt turned out, it would be fun to see how it turned out. Sorry for the wait, though, as much as I say I'll be back. My computer got damaged by accident and I couldn't use it for a while, but it has now fully recovered—to a safe extent, anyway. It's slightly embarassing. If I'm not working on this by midnight Pacific time, consider spamming my inbox.
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The Ant King^ Seeing that cover in a book store and wondering what the fuck that was about was the entire reason I read the Dune books. I'm serious here.
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X_XI just read the Wikipedia articles, myself. Okay, update. Where we left off: Tall, Dark and Pretty and Tall, Dark and Handsome alone in the same ornithopter. Sounds like fun except for the autopsy part. Alia and Hayt (or so they called him in the book; no one's used a name for him in this version) skip over the ride to the scene of the crime and examine the deceased damsel near the city's edge, during what appears to be a sandstorm. Teehee; Hayt's Brummie accent. Not passing so well as the last guy. But he does identify the murder weapon as poison by just looking at the body's skin—astute as always, Mr. Holmes. And who would do such a thing? Well, rule of thumb: when in doubt, it's a Face Dancer. Later, back at the palace—d'awwww. They skip the whole protracted Slap-Slap-Kiss thing. Except Alia and Hayt haven't even interracted previously in this film, so that would be odd. But, at the palace, sure enough, the same woman who supposedly died appears to be alive across town—Otheym's daughter visits Paul. Her brother (the one who got the visit from Scytale), she claims, had a very unfortunate and most definitely accidental...accident. She—well, Scytale; it's obvious—asks Paul to come and talk to her father. Though Paul sees right through Scytale, he agrees to. Later that night—okay. Since they're skipping through Dune Messiah so fast, they're already to the part with the stone burner. I can see why, though; most of the book was just people talking. I found the change of pace relaxing rather than boring, but I can see why it might not work onscreen. But as Paul walks to Otheym's place, some guy in the shadows goes "There! He's walked into our trap! Go press the button, my young assistant!" Not yet, though. Paul is led inot the house of his ailing military leader Otheym by
edited 4th Mar '10 11:42:18 PM by harmattane
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X_XNo, this is not dead. This is being updated right now. Where we left off: UST. Where we pick up: crazy hats! Princess Wencesia's crown looks fine from the front and could have done without the radom, shapeless wires coming put of the back. But she is not happy about how the stone burner failed to fully kill Paul. Oh, well. If that didn't do it, there's still Bijaz, and there's still Hayt. A trap, remember? Meanwhile, on—Caladan? Isn't it a little early for this? Paul's childhood home, though, which looked like the inside of the Death Star and an office's illegitimate child in the previous film, but has been revised into the sea planet it's supposed to be. Why here? Why so soon? Oh, Paul's mother is being told about the stone burner incident, and she is not happy. She arranges the Guild to bring her to Arrakis ASAP—what she plans to do is a mystery to me; in the book, she didn't have a speaking part. Speaking of Arrakis, back there, Paul is having the same dream sequence again, with Leto II in it, again (might as well say so; the movie spoils the next installment even more). He is brought back to the present by Hayt, who asks if he's all right. Yeah...only for now, as Paul reminds Hayt that, well, he's a trap. No, not that kind. Hayt doesn't appear to know what to thing. Come on; show me some personality. I know from the book that lack of memories does not equal too quiet. Oh, wait; shit. I just said what people often say to me, minus the amnesia. I ought to try to enjoy this introvert. Stilgar then interrupts with an important message: the old emperor is dead. On Salusa Secundus—aaaaaa whyyy?? Of all the costumes to carry over from the previous film, why the tinfoil one with the enormous sleeves? And why bury him in it?? After the funeral, Wencesia speaks angrily with some guild members, including a fishlike steersman. Damn you, she says, for making us pay for that bloody expensive stone burner when we could've just sent Shaddam in his royal finery! Serious, though: she plans to destroy Paul economically as well as physically by bringing a sandworm to Salusa Secundus to see if it will start producing spice, draining power from Arrakis's monopoly on it. Maybe it'll work...eh. That's getting a little desperate, methinks. Nonetheless, one cut later, someone has planed a thumper in the desert, and it has the predicted result (lovely convenient pothole to have around). They trap the incoming worm within a moat—they're allergic to water, pretty much. Eek—as many teeth as always. Let's see if it survives the trip. Back in the palace, Chani's pregnancy is progressing unusually fast due to consumption of spice—side effect of avoiding the palace's food. It may not be entirely safe. And elsewhere, Alia is having problems of her own—part of being pre-born is having copies of many, many souls sharing your head. Hayt asks if she is feeling sick. No, she says—more complicated. She is suffering extra right now because she attempted to develop prescience to assist her brother by also consuming spice, but went a bit far. Hayt goes for a doctor. Or, he would like to. Somewhere, Bijaz is humming, and it binds him to the spot. What the hell? This the hell, explains Bijaz: we programmed you to kill Paul, remember? Bijaz is here to press "start", and the humming is both him and the sound of Hayt being played like a piano, keys and pedals. Timing, sir, timing... Girl is dying here. But the gist of it: next time Paul approaches Hayt and says "she is gone", stab. Resistance is futile. Bijaz walks out and stops the humming, leaving Hayt to unsucessfully try and recollect what just happened. So his trigger was only four simple notes, though...? One can do better than that. That's like giving your computer a really short password—not secure enough. It's not inconcievable that some nobody in the palace may have whistled it by accident once. "Eh...? Why is the ghola staring at me with his eyes glazed over and his head at a tilt, and why for the last two hours?" But—Alia suddenly sits up. False alarm, I guess; she's fine. She's fine enough to kiss Hayt with minimal preceding subtext, anyway. I liked the angry kiss with too much subtext on the landing pad better. Heh; looks like he wasn't expecting that, either. And that will be all. Goodnight.
edited 7th Mar '10 11:51:45 PM by harmattane
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X_XOh, no! There's more! Paul speaks to Irulan, not treating her all that nicely for what she did to Chani, but it turns out that he's foreseen Chani dying in childbirth. So, he's here to thank Irulan for prolonging her life. He thanks her by giving her a kiss, which upsets her because she has feelings for him that he does not return. Kinda sad, really. She certainly wasn't bad enough to deserve it in these two films. Later, everyone leaves for the desert to have the child, though Alia stays behind to take care of administrative business. Today, business means arresting some employee named Korba. No, she does not allow him to finish having sex with his girlfriend. He was involved in some traitor-type thing we don't know about yet. Out somewhere far away, Chani is on a fairly obvious soundstage talking to Hayt about how things were when she lived out here—because listening to everyone vent is his job. It's right in the description—second line on the third page of the contract, next to the check box. Of course this is when she goes into labor, as, according to the seventeenth line of page four, he is also designated to show up at exactly the right time, all the time. Paul will be with her shortly, Hayt reassures her. Someone else can fetch a doctor; it didn't go well the last time he tried. Hey, wait—she points out that he referred to Paul by his first name. Either he read line one of page one, or he remembered it. Oh, yeah; baby. Remember? He carries her inside. Obligatory montage follows, with a bunch of scenes from several of places. Hey; not the worst accompanying song in the world, but a bit too happy for a dying people montage. Heh; they just used the same footage a second time. Death count: Korba (1, execution), the steersman (2, execution), the old Reverend Mother (3, execution), Chani (4, childbirth), twins Leto II and Ghanima Atreides (-1 and -2) Hayt brings Paul the bad and the good news, and we get to see how much taller Hayt is than his master (lots). Wait—Chani isn't quite dead yet. She has only enough energy left to say her lover's name before dying. Paul's grief gets in the way of his prescience, leaving him completely blind. He stumbles into Hayt's arms muttering "she's gone." Well, shit. As Bijaz looks on, Hayt's conditioning kicks in. Before anything can be done, he draws his knife and, as the late Baron Harkonnen would say, reunites Paul with Chani. A stunned Hayt is led out by Bijaz, presumably to be taken back to Tleilax and vaporized, purpose served. Fade to black. END OF PART ONE ...no, no, not really. Really, Hayt catches himself at the last nanosecond and tosses the knife into Bijaz instead. Forcing him to kill his old friend broke his brain, allowing Duncan Idaho's memories to seep back in through the fractures, unprecedented. We know what this means—from this point forward, the guy begins acting! But there's more—Scytale, as Otheym's daughter, appears and takes the bloodied knife, then points it at the babies. Eek—don't drip blood on the sheets! They're infants; shit needs to be sanitary! Oh, wait; yeah. Scytale postpones the murder to turn back into Scytale and expresses his surprise at how the whole ghola plan took an unexpected direction. "What do you remember?" he asks. Duncan throws another knife in three...two...one... ...nope. At Paul's order, he just answers that he recalls everything. Ha. Just as planned—Scytale is not expressing surprise at all, but pleasure at his little experiment working. He can bring back Chani for Paul this way, but for a price—the whole damn empire. Eeeeeeeeeeerrrmmmmmm...bit high, ain't that? Duncan (whilst acting): Can I kill him now? Paul: No. Paul has yet another vision of an older Leto II, who looks a lot like Daniel Radcliffe (Oh, man; I am going to have so much fun making Harry Potter jokes in parts two and three...). He and his sister are pre-born, so they know what's going on, and he wants to help. Use my eyes, he offers, a few more times than we need to get the point. Have I mentioned yet that that kid is a walking shirtless scene? Because he is. Paul takes the hint, and he uses the moment of sight to stab Scytale, killing him, then reverting immediately back to blindness. With his prescience finally turned off, he figures, it's time to leave the twins and follow the Fremen ritual for blind people—walk into the desert and sacrifice himself to the worms. Alia can raise these two. Speaking of Alia, she and Duncan were not told where he was going until it was too late to stop him. They meet, upset, on a palace balcony—no one knows which way he went. Well, at least they still have each other—smooch. END OF PART ONE That's also it for the Dune Messiah segment. I liked the book, really, despite the massive downgrade in pace. How I found 300 pages of mostly characters standing around and talking about their feelings exciting may be attributed to my latent girly side. I'll be back next time for the titular story.
edited 8th Mar '10 11:43:57 PM by harmattane
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X_XFor the end of Dune Messiah, one more thing, which I did with the first installment just for your entertainment—some cover art of the book in question, because it can get quite trippy/I found a gigantic spam sheet of them. Britain, and the colorful version. Brazil—oo, shiny. Netherlands France, in which most of the covers follow a distinct nudity theme. Germany, where they get illustrations. Italy—yeah; bit boring. Romania—whatever the hell is going on. Pyramid? Some kind of background...thing? I want some of whatever the artist was on. US (olde) What the hell; have the whole page and see several places using pictures of charaters from the 1984 film who aren't even in the respective books, Israel's badass eye theme, Japanese covers that look like◊ Interstella 5555, and 40-odd years of spoiling God Emperor of Dune over and over again. I have this one. Colorful, eh? Back tomorrow...hopefully.
edited 9th Mar '10 12:35:17 AM by harmattane
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The Ant KingHe's a GIANT WORM! The empire is being led by a GIANT WORM! I wonder how they are going to handle Leto's bonding with the sandtrout.
edited 9th Mar '10 7:01:24 AM by Myrmidon
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Rock OnI seem to recall I really found Korba's death hilarious/awesome; something about the Big "NO!" face he makes as he's dragged screaming into a still.
edited 9th Mar '10 1:26:15 PM by DrRockopolis
X_X@Myrmidon: Probably nothing too memorable. While the effects are nicer in this movie, it does back off quite a bit when it comes to ones that would have to be really fancy.
Paul's Hitler self-comparisonWhen I read this, my immediate thought was "I call Godwin's Law." On the book. Clearly, TV Tropes is ruining my life at a good pace. Also: Upside of an anime: Best liveblog material ever Downside of an anime: Best liveblog material ever All that needs be said on that, I think.
edited 9th Mar '10 10:59:54 PM by harmattane
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X_XExplanation: It's the week before finals. Don't worry; it's not dead. Just the week before finals.
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X_Xo hi Just keeping this from dying and saying that this liveblog will continue once I get out of school next month. It proved to be too time consuming for now, but then, I'll have plenty of time. See you then!
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⚙Yeah, that didn't work out very well, but now I'm finally picking this back up. Stay tuned for an update later tonight!
edited 21st Nov '10 10:43:28 PM by SPACETRAVEL
⚙We're starting Part Two of the film, that is, where Dune Messiah ends and the actual Children of Dune begins. So, unless this new media player fucks up on me, let's begin... title card blah blah blah narration that implies that Leto and Ghanima are aged up ten-ish years in this adaptation blah It's not just the grand tradition of all Dune movies—this time, they probably did it because Leto and Ghanima, the main characters, are only nine years old. Pre-born (see rest of liveblog for what that is), but requiring really young actors. It must have been too much trouble. And sure enough, here's Leto, who looks and sounds like Daniel Radcliffe. WMG: [insert superpowered Dune faction here] are wizards! It explains everything. Leto is sitting out in the desert, where he opens up a butterfly carrier (No, seriously—he has brought a butterfly with him that comes out of a butterfly-shaped holder. Someone should patent these.) and lets the insect stretch its wings. He then has a sketchily animated vision of his father telling him to pursue some mysterious Golden Path. He is then distracted by his twin sister Ghanima, who looks at least ten years older than him. They comment that since where they live has been terraformed a bit, the sandworms don't come near there anymore, fearing the water. He tells his sister about the vision and worries that the planet is changing too quickly. First they wanted the planet to be greener, and now it's moving that way too fast—guess you can't please everyone. They're also worried about turning out like Alia. Since Dune Messiah, she's apparently changed for the worse. Just then, Irulan, who looks younger than Ghanima, shows up, with some ornithopters. The twins have to go now and greet a visitor—Jessica, their grandmother and Paul's mother. Midway through the trip back to civilization, they spot something below. Leto steers off course to investigate—three sandworms, which have all appeared at once to show us how many teeth they have. Leto...just wanted to look at them? Well, not that he gets to see them often anymore. He expresses concern about their endangered species status. The worms do not show the same concern for his life, and one attempts to eat the ornithopter. If the twins are pre-born/have all of their ancestors' memories, shouldn't they remember that worms will do this from the first movie? As in the first movie, they escape narrowly. So they go to the capital, Arakeen, where Alia resides. Here, she is constantly troubled by the voices of the spirits the pre-born have living in their head. The danger of being pre-born is that one might take over one's mind; perhaps getting overwhelmed this way is the first step. D'aww, she is now married to Duncan. What Alia doesn't have that her niece and nephew had, and that her father had, is prescience, and she appears obsessed with the absence of this power in her. She also isn't sure about the visit of her mother, who she suspects is up to something. Meanwhile, just above the atmosphere, Jessica waits in her ship. She is with Halleck—since I'm reading the book, too, as I'm doing this liveblog, I'm not yet sure if they have more of a relationship going on than as employer and servant. They note the political turmoil going on below, wrought with assassination plots, and regret that they didn't wait until things settled down to come. Too bad—this is Dune. Such things don't ever settle down. And that's all for the update. Back tomorrow!
edited 22nd Nov '10 12:36:00 AM by SPACETRAVEL
Rock OnMan, I haven't seen or read Dune in ages...I should start again. And to be fair, this being Dune, even when things do settle down, they still suck. EDIT; I still wonder where Voldermort was getting his supply of Spice...
edited 22nd Nov '10 7:19:04 PM by DrRockopolis
⚙He's importing it through a deep space league of Dalek smugglers, of course. Continue:
So, suddenly, we've got a couple of people running through a dimly lit cave, being chased by something that doesn't sound human. Leto and Ghanima, and it's too early for this scene. But wait—those weren't the real twins, and this was only a test. This is Salusa Secundus, the prison planet the old emperor's house was exiled to, and his descendant, Princess Wensicia, is just training some tigers to go after the real twins. On actual people—clearly these are villains. Since Dune Messiah, Wensicia has lost her Romulan hairstyle and grown even more intent on reconquering the galaxy for the Corrinos. Back on Arrakis, Leto watches a sandworm passing by through a palace window—it is in an enclosure surrounded by a moat of computer-animated water. Shh, don't say out loud that it's not real water. If it hears, it'll break through the moat and eat everyone! And Leto appears to have gotten a haircut—so much for looking like Harry Potter. Wait—this isn't Leto at all, just someone who looks annoyingly like him: Wensicia's child, now a teenager. And we're still on Salusa Secundus. Apologies, but the settings just look too much alike. The kid doesn't share the same desire to retake the galaxy as his mother, believing her hunger for power to be unwise. Or something. He's a terrible actor—reminds me of myself when I used to try out for plays in high school. Now back on Arrakis, Alia tells her niece and nephews to behave around their grandmother, convinced that Jessica is coming as a threat to them for being pre-born. And, first ridiculous costume of the story: the collar on Ghanima's formal wear should not resist gravity that way. The twins wonder if Alia is losing her mind; this paranoia isn't like her. Waiting for Jessica's ship to land, Irulan finally, finally gets some of the sympathy she deserves from Ghanima when she reveals her nervousness about meeting Jessica, who had no respect for her. It made more sense in the books, where Irulan wasn't involved in anything important, but in this film series, her role is greatly changed and full of Rousseau was Right, so it seemed unfair that she was scorned the same way as she was in the books in this version. LOL, Duncan still has that ridiculous armor from all the way back in Dune Messiah. Jessica's ship finally lands, and all of the onlookers bow. Or hide how hard they're trying not to laugh. It's really clear that Jessica hasn't been here in a while—no matter what one's galactic or religious status is, wearing anything with a humongous fur collar to a desert planet is a big no-no. Especially if paired with a close-fitting hat and long sleeves. She and her old friend Stilgar greet each other, and her and Alia, who can't hold back just a little bit of joy at seeing her grandmother again. Jessica delivers some sort of Fremen speech and turns to go inside, but then someone shouts "Mother!" and she turns around. It's some mysterious cloaked hobo, who meant "mother" as in "Reverend Mother", but even though I haven't got far enough in the book to know for sure, I'm going to guess that this guy is definitely Paul because that was the most un-subtle foreshadowing ever.
ValaraukaEven though at times it does stray from the books, and the acting isn't the greatest and nor are the effects, I do still like this because it does tell a good story. Some of the more ridiculous aspects aside. I had to try very hard not to laugh at some of Stilgar's more ham-tastic lines.
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