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Neon Genesis Evangelion:

By popular demand. And because seriously, what the FUCK.
 
 2 Tzetze, Thu, 6th Aug '09 9:46:05 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
So you didn't like End, I take it?
(weaving)
Yeah, everybody says that when they watch the end of the series.
SHIKI is dead.
No, actually, I thought the end of End was very fitting. It's the end I was expecting Neon Genesis to have. It's just confusing and creepy as all hell, is all.

edited 6th Aug '09 9:51:46 PM by Zudak

 
TV Ending > Movie ending

 6 Tzetze, Thu, 6th Aug '09 10:11:00 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
Any particular reasoning there?
Congratulations!

In other news, I have nothing substantial to say. Just a reference.
the dice are loaded, the deck is stacked, the game itself will hold you back
Any particular reasoning there?
The theme is much more in line with the theme of the rest of the series. Whenever I watch Eo E I feel like it's a completely different Anime. The tone is just so vastly different.

Plus, Eo E is kinda the easy way out. It's Anno's bashing you over the head with the literal ending, which if you were paying attention in the TV version you can pretty much figure out anyways.

Edit: I'm not saying the movie ending is bad. Indeed, I quite enjoy it for it's visceral nature and ability to evoke strong emotions. I just have found I prefer the TV ending. I used to think the other way around until I had rewatched the TV series 5 or so times and some additional viewings of the movie.

edited 6th Aug '09 10:24:10 PM by xexyzl

(weaving)
I'd disagree. Aside from having visuals that weren't "Embrace the mindscrew. Gainax is running out of money. Embrace the mindscrew. Gainax is running out of money." End is almost as incomprehensible as the original ending.

Personally, looking back on it, I think I prefer the TV ending because after all the shit that was piled on Shinji through that series he didn't deserve what happened in End, having to spend the rest of his life with just Asuka.
SHIKI is dead.
he didn't deserve what happened in End, having to spend the rest of his life with just Asuka.
Watch more carefully next time.

 11 Tzetze, Thu, 6th Aug '09 10:26:49 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
That you'll have to explain.
That you'll have to explain.
It seems a lot of people who haven't either rewatched the series/movie or read Wikipedia don't quite realize what reversing Instrumentality entails. Basically, anyone who has the will to return to being an individual will "come back to life". Shinji was sitting around for a good while before Asuka came back. She isn't the only one to come back, just the first, since she hates death probably more than any other person on the planet (well, that might be hyperbole but you get the picture).

edited 6th Aug '09 10:30:42 PM by xexyzl

 13 Tzetze, Thu, 6th Aug '09 10:32:21 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
Ah, yeah, that's true. But there's certainly going to be a lot of alone time, and probably it will be progressively less-fucked-up types un-instrumentaling. Neologisms ROCK. Yeah verbing.

edited 6th Aug '09 10:33:23 PM by Tzetze

True, and some might not come back at all. I'd imagine chairmen Kiel is feeling pretty comfy cozy as orange tang.

 15 Sneeb, Fri, 7th Aug '09 12:51:53 AM from poo world (aka tvtropes)
super sugoi kawaii neko desuas
True, and some might not come back at all. I'd imagine chairmen Kiel is feeling pretty comfy cozy as orange tang.

I beg to differ. It may not be canon, but it damn well ought to be.

@ xexyzl: How do we know the passage of time in that point in the movie? Guesswork? The universe bible? Fanon?

I enjoyed the TV ending more, once I figured out what had happened. Mainly because End made me feel sick.

That final scene was a kicker. I an understand attacking the illusion, but why choke the real version of the girl you love? I know it was a weird relationship, but still... Shinji is more pathetic than anything.

edited 13th May '13 9:08:31 PM by Sneeb

an heroic gesture would do the world good
 16 Zyxzy, Fri, 7th Aug '09 5:17:33 AM from Salem, OR
Embrace the mindscrew
So why did Shinji strangle Asuka? And what did we know about Third Impact by the TV ending?
@ xexyzl: How do we know the passage of time in that point in the movie? Guesswork? The universe bible? Fanon?
Misato's necklace was put up as a sort of shrine or monument, and you can see it start to rust.

So why did Shinji strangle Asuka? And what did we know about Third Impact by the TV ending?
Why? I'm still not sure. If I had to guess, probably because this is Shinji's first outing into the 'real world', and yet he's all alone. He might've been pissed that the first person he gets to meet is Asuka, who gave him so much grief. Sure, he might not feel as angry to her as to his father, but he can't have really enjoyed all the abuse. Remember that it's only for a few seconds before he starts crying because he remembers/realizes he does have feelings for her. Whatever, that's my interpretation for now, I'll have to think on that.

Now, what do we know about 3rd Impact from JUST the TV ending? Well first off, why do we care? People who wanted to know what 3rd Impact actually looked like ended up with the movie. Knowing how it happens isn't nearly as important as why it happens. We know the why: trying to fill the emptiness in human souls by removing individuality. How it happens isn't really as important. So Lillith goes and sticks Unit 01 in her headvagina and sucks people's souls into the black moon, so what? Do you really need to know that in the TV ending? The point of not showing everything visually is to force the viewer to think only about characters and the theme of the show. This is why some people believe Anno didn't run out of money, that he intentionally did this ending, because he's done it before. Remember Gunbuster episode 6? They didn't even animate the final battle for you, you just got black and white stills. Why? Because the battle just isn't very important. It forces the viewer's attention elsewhere.

Bleh, I'm rambling. Really the best thing I can recommend to those confused about Eva is to rewatch it. If you need help, you can always check Wikipedia. :D

I M NOT REWATCHING THAT. Not unless you can make me unsee episode 22. I know the series is an Earn Your Happy Ending if interpreted like I do... but holy shit was that terrifying.

For the record, I enjoyed the original TV ending and am not going to watch Eo E any time soon.

edited 7th Aug '09 2:46:11 PM by Muzozavr

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 19 Tzetze, Fri, 7th Aug '09 2:48:14 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
For those of us who don't remember episode numbers, 22 is HALLELUJAH!
All I have to say about Evangelion is that I fell asleep during the last two episodes.

That is all.

I must be the only one who wasn't emotionally moved by End of Evangelion in any way. Hmm..
 
 22 Tzetze, Fri, 7th Aug '09 3:57:18 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
Really? What was your reaction?
Not really all that different from the TV anime.

Okay, I admit I pretty much had most stuff spoilered already (Asuka dies, everyone get's turned into orange juice, Shinji and Asuka are the new Adam and Eve etc.)

I found it interesting to watch, but I pretty much had no reaction to it.
 
I found it interesting to watch, but I pretty much had no reaction to it.
The effect of Evangelion is thoroughly ruined if you don't sympathize with the characters. I think this is where most of the hatred for Eva stems from, people who can't get past their dislike of the characters.

I don't mind the characters but some of the merchandise makes baby Jesus cry.
 
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