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4651 Flanker668th Oct 2012 12:43:44 PM from 30,000 feet and climbing , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Blake be Praised
I've heard a lot about these Arc Light missions, but I can't remember what exactly they were.
Locking you up on radar since '09

Time is everything; 5 minutes make the difference between victory & defeat. — Horatio Nelson
4652 TairaMai8th Oct 2012 12:45:13 PM from El Paso Tx , Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
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Arc Light was the code name for the B-52 strikes in Vietnam.
4653 Catfish428th Oct 2012 01:07:26 PM from world“s favourite country. , Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Bloody Fossil
Basically, the USAF saying "This is it. Let's rebuild the BUFFs and drop ALL THE BOMBS!"
I am a traveller of both time and space
To be where I have been
4654 Flanker668th Oct 2012 01:28:29 PM from 30,000 feet and climbing , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Blake be Praised
Ah, thanks.

Am I the only one who thinks that Arc Light (with or without "Operation" slapped in front) is an example of Awesome McCoolName as applied to operations/code names?
Locking you up on radar since '09

Time is everything; 5 minutes make the difference between victory & defeat. — Horatio Nelson
4655 Greenmantle8th Oct 2012 01:41:54 PM from Greater Wessex, Britannia , Relationship Status: Hiding
Carrying On
"Britannia Rules the Waves (if only)"
A long, weary war
@Flanker: I think it was a slapped-together name that someone realized sounded really damn awesome. The realization that the big strategic bombers made for scary, scary, scary tactical interdiction platforms. After the Arc Lights standardized it, using them that way has been a standard feature: the Sovs used Backfires over Afghanistan in the same way.
How far is St. Helena from the field of Waterloo?
A near way—a clear way—-the ship will take you soon.
4657 TairaMai8th Oct 2012 03:22:24 PM from El Paso Tx , Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
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[up]Aluminum Christmas Trees, that's how code names are chosen. A list is drawn up and the names are selected. Until some 2 or 3 star general says "Screw it, it's called this!" That's why the operation to get Saddam was called "Red Dawn". and "Operation Linebacker" was given it's name by football fan Nixon.
4658 TamH709th Oct 2012 03:00:50 AM from 合計虐殺 , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
[up]Which is why the Second Gulf War in the Nineties was called "Operation Desert Shield/Desert Storm" by the big boys in the playground - the Americans, and we in Britain called it "Operation Granby". Granby? To this day I do not know who or what the fuck Granby was, and think the Americans called it right.

BTW, that Felix Baumgartner is doing that jump today, if weather is right at Roswell.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19860249

Good luck to him. Or as they used to say in his neck of the woods: "Hals und Beinbruch"

4659 TairaMai9th Oct 2012 03:10:08 AM from El Paso Tx , Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
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[up]Cool!
A long, weary war
[up][up]Says you. I personally prefer the British approach of low-key, nondescript names: Corporate, Banner, Granby, Telic. That may be simply an ingrained eye-rolling reaction at some of the fancier operation names that the US gives. (Just Cause? What was wrong with Blue Spoon?)

[up]Yup, heard about that. Best of luck to him.

edited 9th Oct '12 3:11:01 AM by SabresEdge

How far is St. Helena from the field of Waterloo?
A near way—a clear way—-the ship will take you soon.
4661 TamH709th Oct 2012 03:19:11 AM from 合計虐殺 , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
[up]Wusnae jist me, Sabre. My unit at the time had a lot of guys and gals doing the eye-rolling thing whenever the unit's head shed were talking about "Op Granby" on our regular briefings on the war. Most of us were saying "Desert Storm".

The last decent British operational names were "Overlord" and "Bodyguard".
4662 InverurieJones9th Oct 2012 12:42:11 PM from North of the Wall. , Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
'80s TV Action Hero
I quite like Op. Corporate and Op. Condor.

Not sure about 'Herrick', though.
The owls are not what they seem.
4663 Catfish429th Oct 2012 01:07:29 PM from world“s favourite country. , Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Bloody Fossil
Wasn't there some Operation named after some small village, the residents of which then proceeded to complain about their place being associated with it?
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To be where I have been
4664 Greenmantle9th Oct 2012 02:38:18 PM from Greater Wessex, Britannia , Relationship Status: Hiding
Carrying On
Operation Bolton* perhaps?

Anyway, British Operation names do have a meaning, if somewhat obscure, such as Op "Telic"*, or Op Granby being named after the Marquess of Granby.
"Britannia Rules the Waves (if only)"
A long, weary war
Right; Churchill put in an order in WWII that operation names and codenames in general should never give away any information by themselves. This was after R.V. Jones' cell of merry pranksters managed to figure out almost the entirety of the German electronic order of battle by correlating electronic codenames with their mythological counterparts (Heimdall the single-beam system being named after Heimdall the one-eyed god, for instance). No frivolous names so that no widow would have to be informed that her husband died in Operation Bunnyhop or Operation Ballyhoo, but randomly-selected ones.
How far is St. Helena from the field of Waterloo?
A near way—a clear way—-the ship will take you soon.
4666 InverurieJones9th Oct 2012 06:48:14 PM from North of the Wall. , Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
'80s TV Action Hero
Not like the modern US tendency to call them things like Operation You'll Never Guess Where We're Going?
The owls are not what they seem.
4667 Catfish429th Oct 2012 07:28:29 PM from world“s favourite country. , Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Bloody Fossil
[up][up][up] Bolton probably, yeah.
I am a traveller of both time and space
To be where I have been
4668 Greenmantle12th Oct 2012 03:02:47 PM from Greater Wessex, Britannia , Relationship Status: Hiding
Carrying On
Vulcan bomber XH558 to be grounded

The last airworthy Vulcan bomber will fly for the final time next year, the trust which funds the aircraft has confirmed. The XH 558 has been based at South Yorkshire's Robin Hood Airport since March 2011 after the RAF Lyneham base closure was announced.

It has been decided that "challenging modifications" to both wings would not be sustainable to the old aircraft. The Vulcan to the Sky Trust said it decided not to fund the repairs.

Trust chief executive Dr Robert Pleming told supporters: "At the end of next year, she will need a £200,000 modification to her wings to increase her flying life. "We know that you would do your upmost to fund this work, but for a number of reasons we have decided not to ask you to take this risk."

In May, Doncaster Robin Hood Airport was forced to close temporarily after the Vulcan bomber aborted take-off due to an engine fault. The trust's engineering director Andrew Edmondson added: "There is no possibility of rectification if an error is made. We are not saying we cannot do it, just that it is risky so other factors must be taken into account." Mr Edmondson added: "From the start of the 2014 season, it is unlikely that we could accommodate any engine failures. There are no more airworthy engines available, and refurbishment would be so difficult and costly that there is no possibility that it will happen."

Vulcan to the Sky Trust, which has kept the bomber in the skies for six years, said it needed in excess of £1m to carry out repairs and maintenance in coming months. The Vulcan XH558 took its first flight on 25 May 1960 and was originally built to carry nuclear weapons but was only ever used as a nuclear deterrent. The bomber retired from service in 1993 and is the only [airworthy] one left of the 134 that were built for the Royal Air Force.

...no more needs to be said, does it?

edited 12th Oct '12 3:03:39 PM by Greenmantle

"Britannia Rules the Waves (if only)"
4669 Flanker6612th Oct 2012 03:11:53 PM from 30,000 feet and climbing , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Blake be Praised
We're witnessing the end of an era, gentlemen. sad

I wish I had enough cash to ensure it remained airworthy; I don't know, it seems wrong for an aircraft like that to be grounded permanently. Feels bad, man.
Locking you up on radar since '09

Time is everything; 5 minutes make the difference between victory & defeat. — Horatio Nelson
4670 Greenmantle12th Oct 2012 03:15:02 PM from Greater Wessex, Britannia , Relationship Status: Hiding
Carrying On
I know. I've given enough money over the years*, but...

Yeah.


Somehow, this song (and this version) came into my head.

edited 12th Oct '12 3:26:56 PM by Greenmantle

"Britannia Rules the Waves (if only)"
A long, weary war
Farewell, XH558. Thy flying days shall be missed.

She'd be like Victory, though. I'll be happy to pay her a visit if I visit England.
How far is St. Helena from the field of Waterloo?
A near way—a clear way—-the ship will take you soon.
4672 Greenmantle12th Oct 2012 03:32:55 PM from Greater Wessex, Britannia , Relationship Status: Hiding
Carrying On
I've seen 558 on the ground and then, once, unintentionally, in the air.
"Britannia Rules the Waves (if only)"
4673 Catfish4212th Oct 2012 03:33:43 PM from world“s favourite country. , Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Bloody Fossil
Oh dear.

I'm glad I got to see her fly once, that was a magnificent show.
I am a traveller of both time and space
To be where I have been
4674 TairaMai12th Oct 2012 06:03:58 PM from El Paso Tx , Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
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It happens. If you want to see WWII-era aircraft, now is the time people. The parts and the skillset will go away. I'm glad my daddy took me to see the CAF and I got to see Fi Fi in the sky. Would've loved to have seen that Vulcan fly. T_T
4675 TuefelHundenIV12th Oct 2012 06:13:01 PM from Wandering. , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchmen of the Apocalypse
Such a pity that a cool looking craft like that is done. I like the whole I am almost a flying wing look it has.
"Who watches the watchmen?"

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