The sky-high aircraft and aviation thread:

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3501 InverurieJones25th Feb 2012 06:57:02 AM from North of the Wall. , Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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Well, you've got your uppy-downy lever and you backward-forward-sideways stick and a couple of rudder pedals.

Can't be as hard as all that. And if you balls it up, you can always just land wherever you want.
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3502 Greenmantle25th Feb 2012 07:07:01 AM from Greater Wessex , Relationship Status: Hiding
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As long as it literally isn't balls up. Then you are in trouble...
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3503 TamH7025th Feb 2012 07:22:14 AM from 合計虐殺 , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
Is the Kamov Werewolf still the only helicopter with an ejection seat?
3504 TuefelHundenIV25th Feb 2012 07:40:31 AM from Wandering. , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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The KA-50 and KA-52 both use one. The U.S. experimented with the idea but nothing ever came of it.

The AH-56 Cheyenne had one. There was testing for a ejection system on the Cobra Gunship but they never followed up on it.
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3505 TuefelHundenIV25th Feb 2012 02:35:17 PM from Wandering. , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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3506 Flanker6625th Feb 2012 02:37:47 PM from 30,000 feet and climbing , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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^Ah, yes. If I remember right, I think the bottom tailfin and the rear prop detached from the aircraft if the pilot bailed out (probably so that he didn't become salad).

@Fuschlatz:

I'm biased here, but I'd say fixed wing. Depends on the situation, though.
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Time is everything; 5 minutes make the difference between victory & defeat. — Horatio Nelson
Kutsuzure Sensen
I'd think that helos might be more important in urban environments, since they're used for a lot of purposes. In contrast, fixed-wing aviation require runways, so those might be better-suited in the countryside. In that case, though, bush aircraft will be needed.

The alternative is the An-2. Always useful little bird, that Annushka is. waii
No bomb that ever burst
Shatters the crystal spirit.
—George Orwell
3508 TamH7026th Feb 2012 05:50:49 PM from 合計虐殺 , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
[up]It should be. It is the descendent after all, of one of the Coolest Planes ever to appear in fiction, the Polikarpov P0-2/U-2 (no, not that one, or indeed that one.), the Kukuruznik, flown by Lieutenant Ludmila Gorbunova, Ace Pilot/Samus is a Girl in the World War books by Harry Turtledove. All the other so-called Cool Planes having been swatted from the sky by Race Killercraft and SAM. As cool in Real Life - the Nazis hating the thing because they found it almost impossible to intercept and shoot down due to its high levels of wood/low levels of metal construction method gave it an extremely low radar signature.

Which the Americans also found out about when they met up with them in the Korean War.

edited 26th Feb '12 5:59:51 PM by TamH70

3509 Flanker6627th Feb 2012 02:20:58 PM from 30,000 feet and climbing , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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Oh, hello, Tam! I didn't expect to see you here. grin

Anyway, the Po-2 is quite a cool aircraft (as is the An-2). Have any of you heard of the I-153 and the I-16? Quite tubby aircraft, but somehow that's part of the charm.
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3510 TuefelHundenIV27th Feb 2012 03:50:00 PM from Wandering. , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Wasn't that a Parasite craft as well? As in it attached to much larger plane like a bomber and would be launched in flight. This helped extend the range of the fighter aircraft.

edited 27th Feb '12 3:54:17 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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3511 Flanker6628th Feb 2012 03:49:22 AM from 30,000 feet and climbing , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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If I remember correctly, certain I-16s were indeed modified to act as parasite aircraft to modified TB-3s (though I believe the project didn't get too far); however, the vast majority were designed to take off under their own power.

I don't think the I-15 (or indeed the I-153) and the Po-2 were ever modified with that in mind, though.

edited 28th Feb '12 3:49:41 AM by Flanker66

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3512 HungryJoe28th Feb 2012 04:32:03 AM from Under the Tree
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Helicopters using fly-by wire systems are vastly simpler to use than their hydraulic counterparts.

When I had the opportunity to sit in the UH-60 simulator, they explained that going forward was as simple as pushing the joystick forward with the new system, and gave vague allusions to the snarling beast it replaced. It also incorporates things like an auto-altitude maintenance thingy.
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3513 TamH7028th Feb 2012 08:57:56 PM from 合計虐殺 , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
Hi flanker. I love planes and choppers and stuff. /is glad he has not invented time travel, for a few very good reasons.

So, troop transport/gunship helicopters? Why didn't NATO buy some Hinds/Hips etc for use in Afghanistan? The Russians weren't using all of them in their small wars.
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NATO does use Mi-8s in Afghanistan, especially for its contractors. The US Army mainly sticks to Chinooks and 'Hawks for logistical reasons. The new Afghan Air Force uses Mi-17s and Mi-35s, which are the export/hot-and-high versions of the Hip and the Hind.
No bomb that ever burst
Shatters the crystal spirit.
—George Orwell
3515 Flanker6629th Feb 2012 02:16:19 AM from 30,000 feet and climbing , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Blake be Praised
@Hungry Joe:

If I remember correctly, helicopters that use powered control systems such as hydraulics can be right pigs to fly if they fail because the controls become very heavy.

Still, that's pretty cool. How did you ever end up doing that?

@Tam:

I'm assuming that the requirements of most operations were already being satisfied by other aircraft, so use of the Hind and Hip aren't as great as they might have been.

I still think the Hind would make a great CAS platform, especially if flown aggressively (which, apparently, was their pilots' response to the proliferation of the Stinger and other MANPADS in Afghanistan). It's like a rotary wing A-10!
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Time is everything; 5 minutes make the difference between victory & defeat. — Horatio Nelson
3516 Catfish4229th Feb 2012 04:55:31 AM from world´s favourite country. , Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Bloody Fossil
If I remember correctly, helicopters that use powered control systems such as hydraulics can be right pigs to fly if they fail because the controls become very heavy.
Much like trying to drive a car without power steering or brake servo, I'd imagine.
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3517 Flanker6629th Feb 2012 07:44:37 AM from 30,000 feet and climbing , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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Pretty much, yeah.

And I haven't seen you in ages!
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Time is everything; 5 minutes make the difference between victory & defeat. — Horatio Nelson
3518 Greenmantle29th Feb 2012 08:24:24 AM from Greater Wessex , Relationship Status: Hiding
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This thread has been a little quiet lately, that's all smile.

Anyway, what are the exact Medical Requirements for a Pilots' Licence (either the PPL or the Commercial will be fine)?

edited 29th Feb '12 8:24:49 AM by Greenmantle

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3519 Flanker6629th Feb 2012 08:47:19 AM from 30,000 feet and climbing , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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Hm... well, it depends on whether you're gunning for a Class 1 (proffessional) or Class 2 (PPL). The JAR (the system the UK follows, I believe) Class 1 requirements are here. Requirements for Class 2 are as follows. Note that the Class 1 requirements are much, much more stringent (which is probably why you don't hear of many airline accidents caused by the crew's ill health).

edited 29th Feb '12 8:47:36 AM by Flanker66

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Time is everything; 5 minutes make the difference between victory & defeat. — Horatio Nelson
3520 Catfish4229th Feb 2012 09:49:58 AM from world´s favourite country. , Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Bloody Fossil
Well, I've been kind of absent for a while, so there's that...

Anyway, medical requirements, I reckon I could pass most of that, Class 2 at least. Only thing I've got doubts wit is hearing, mostly because I'm not entirely clear what hearing something in each ear separately means. Do I have to be able to tell if a sound is to my right or left or something like that?
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3521 Flanker6629th Feb 2012 10:34:24 AM from 30,000 feet and climbing , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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A test to ensure you can differentiate between directions seems most logical to me (as well as to make sure you're not deaf in one ear), though I'm not sure why that might be the case. Perhaps some aural cues occur predominantly on one side of the cockpit?
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Time is everything; 5 minutes make the difference between victory & defeat. — Horatio Nelson
3522 Catfish4229th Feb 2012 10:52:11 AM from world´s favourite country. , Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Bloody Fossil
Only thing I could think of is perhaps pinpointing noises that shouldn't be there to try and find out where they're coming from...
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3523 Flanker6629th Feb 2012 12:14:03 PM from 30,000 feet and climbing , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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Good point. Flying is very much a task where you need to be quite attuned to your senses.
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Time is everything; 5 minutes make the difference between victory & defeat. — Horatio Nelson
3524 Catfish4229th Feb 2012 02:33:26 PM from world´s favourite country. , Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Bloody Fossil
Most definitely.

Another thing: HMS Hermes, without a ski jump, operating helos and GR.3 Harriers á la USMC amphibious assault ships. Y/N?
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3525 TamH7029th Feb 2012 03:01:27 PM from 合計虐殺 , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Yep. If you can get the Harriers and the Hermes. But really, I would want a Nimitz class with a full group of Tomcats/Super Hornets.

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