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The sky-high aircraft and aviation thread:

 3501 Inverurie Jones, Sat, 25th Feb '12 6:57:02 AM from Station 78 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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Well, you've got your uppy-downy lever and you backward-forward-sideways stick and a couple of rudder pedals.

Can't be as hard as all that. And if you balls it up, you can always just land wherever you want.
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 3502 Greenmantle, Sat, 25th Feb '12 7:07:01 AM from Albion Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
[up]

As long as it literally isn't balls up. Then you are in trouble...
 3503 Tam H 70, Sat, 25th Feb '12 7:22:14 AM from 合計虐殺 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
Is the Kamov Werewolf still the only helicopter with an ejection seat?
 3504 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sat, 25th Feb '12 7:40:31 AM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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The KA-50 and KA-52 both use one. The U.S. experimented with the idea but nothing ever came of it.

The AH-56 Cheyenne had one. There was testing for a ejection system on the Cobra Gunship but they never followed up on it.
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 3505 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sat, 25th Feb '12 2:35:17 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Interesting German WWII aircraft A pull/push prop.
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 3506 Flanker 66, Sat, 25th Feb '12 2:37:47 PM from The Cockpit of a Celestial Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Manei Domini
^Ah, yes. If I remember right, I think the bottom tailfin and the rear prop detached from the aircraft if the pilot bailed out (probably so that he didn't become salad).

@Fuschlatz:

I'm biased here, but I'd say fixed wing. Depends on the situation, though.
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 3507 Sabre's Edge, Sat, 25th Feb '12 2:43:38 PM from Project NAIL SPIKE
I'd think that helos might be more important in urban environments, since they're used for a lot of purposes. In contrast, fixed-wing aviation require runways, so those might be better-suited in the countryside. In that case, though, bush aircraft will be needed.

The alternative is the An-2. Always useful little bird, that Annushka is. waii
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 3508 Tam H 70, Sun, 26th Feb '12 5:50:49 PM from 合計虐殺 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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[up]It should be. It is the descendent after all, of one of the Coolest Planes ever to appear in fiction, the Polikarpov P0-2/U-2 (no, not that one, or indeed that one.), the Kukuruznik, flown by Lieutenant Ludmila Gorbunova, Ace Pilot/Samus is a Girl in the World War books by Harry Turtledove. All the other so-called Cool Planes having been swatted from the sky by Race Killercraft and SAM. As cool in Real Life - the Nazis hating the thing because they found it almost impossible to intercept and shoot down due to its high levels of wood/low levels of metal construction method gave it an extremely low radar signature.

Which the Americans also found out about when they met up with them in the Korean War.

edited 26th Feb '12 5:59:51 PM by TamH70

 3509 Flanker 66, Mon, 27th Feb '12 2:20:58 PM from The Cockpit of a Celestial Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Manei Domini
Oh, hello, Tam! I didn't expect to see you here. grin

Anyway, the Po-2 is quite a cool aircraft (as is the An-2). Have any of you heard of the I-153 and the I-16? Quite tubby aircraft, but somehow that's part of the charm.
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 3510 Tuefel Hunden IV, Mon, 27th Feb '12 3:50:00 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Wasn't that a Parasite craft as well? As in it attached to much larger plane like a bomber and would be launched in flight. This helped extend the range of the fighter aircraft.

edited 27th Feb '12 3:54:17 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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 3511 Flanker 66, Tue, 28th Feb '12 3:49:22 AM from The Cockpit of a Celestial Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Manei Domini
If I remember correctly, certain I-16s were indeed modified to act as parasite aircraft to modified TB-3s (though I believe the project didn't get too far); however, the vast majority were designed to take off under their own power.

I don't think the I-15 (or indeed the I-153) and the Po-2 were ever modified with that in mind, though.

edited 28th Feb '12 3:49:41 AM by Flanker66

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 3512 Hungry Joe, Tue, 28th Feb '12 4:32:03 AM from Under the Tree
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Helicopters using fly-by wire systems are vastly simpler to use than their hydraulic counterparts.

When I had the opportunity to sit in the UH-60 simulator, they explained that going forward was as simple as pushing the joystick forward with the new system, and gave vague allusions to the snarling beast it replaced. It also incorporates things like an auto-altitude maintenance thingy.
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 3513 Tam H 70, Tue, 28th Feb '12 8:57:56 PM from 合計虐殺 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
Hi flanker. I love planes and choppers and stuff. /is glad he has not invented time travel, for a few very good reasons.

So, troop transport/gunship helicopters? Why didn't NATO buy some Hinds/Hips etc for use in Afghanistan? The Russians weren't using all of them in their small wars.
 3514 Sabre's Edge, Tue, 28th Feb '12 9:12:52 PM from Project NAIL SPIKE
NATO does use Mi-8s in Afghanistan, especially for its contractors. The US Army mainly sticks to Chinooks and 'Hawks for logistical reasons. The new Afghan Air Force uses Mi-17s and Mi-35s, which are the export/hot-and-high versions of the Hip and the Hind.
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 3515 Flanker 66, Wed, 29th Feb '12 2:16:19 AM from The Cockpit of a Celestial Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Manei Domini
@Hungry Joe:

If I remember correctly, helicopters that use powered control systems such as hydraulics can be right pigs to fly if they fail because the controls become very heavy.

Still, that's pretty cool. How did you ever end up doing that?

@Tam:

I'm assuming that the requirements of most operations were already being satisfied by other aircraft, so use of the Hind and Hip aren't as great as they might have been.

I still think the Hind would make a great CAS platform, especially if flown aggressively (which, apparently, was their pilots' response to the proliferation of the Stinger and other MANPADS in Afghanistan). It's like a rotary wing A-10!
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 3516 Catfish 42, Wed, 29th Feb '12 4:55:31 AM from world´s favourite country. Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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If I remember correctly, helicopters that use powered control systems such as hydraulics can be right pigs to fly if they fail because the controls become very heavy.
Much like trying to drive a car without power steering or brake servo, I'd imagine.
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 3517 Flanker 66, Wed, 29th Feb '12 7:44:37 AM from The Cockpit of a Celestial Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Manei Domini
Pretty much, yeah.

And I haven't seen you in ages!
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 3518 Greenmantle, Wed, 29th Feb '12 8:24:24 AM from Albion Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
This thread has been a little quiet lately, that's all smile.

Anyway, what are the exact Medical Requirements for a Pilots' Licence (either the PPL or the Commercial will be fine)?

edited 29th Feb '12 8:24:49 AM by Greenmantle

 3519 Flanker 66, Wed, 29th Feb '12 8:47:19 AM from The Cockpit of a Celestial Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Manei Domini
Hm... well, it depends on whether you're gunning for a Class 1 (proffessional) or Class 2 (PPL). The JAR (the system the UK follows, I believe) Class 1 requirements are here. Requirements for Class 2 are as follows. Note that the Class 1 requirements are much, much more stringent (which is probably why you don't hear of many airline accidents caused by the crew's ill health).

edited 29th Feb '12 8:47:36 AM by Flanker66

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 3520 Catfish 42, Wed, 29th Feb '12 9:49:58 AM from world´s favourite country. Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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Well, I've been kind of absent for a while, so there's that...

Anyway, medical requirements, I reckon I could pass most of that, Class 2 at least. Only thing I've got doubts wit is hearing, mostly because I'm not entirely clear what hearing something in each ear separately means. Do I have to be able to tell if a sound is to my right or left or something like that?
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 3521 Flanker 66, Wed, 29th Feb '12 10:34:24 AM from The Cockpit of a Celestial Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Manei Domini
A test to ensure you can differentiate between directions seems most logical to me (as well as to make sure you're not deaf in one ear), though I'm not sure why that might be the case. Perhaps some aural cues occur predominantly on one side of the cockpit?
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 3522 Catfish 42, Wed, 29th Feb '12 10:52:11 AM from world´s favourite country. Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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Only thing I could think of is perhaps pinpointing noises that shouldn't be there to try and find out where they're coming from...
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 3523 Flanker 66, Wed, 29th Feb '12 12:14:03 PM from The Cockpit of a Celestial Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Manei Domini
Good point. Flying is very much a task where you need to be quite attuned to your senses.
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 3524 Catfish 42, Wed, 29th Feb '12 2:33:26 PM from world´s favourite country. Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Bloody Fossil
Most definitely.

Another thing: HMS Hermes, without a ski jump, operating helos and GR.3 Harriers á la USMC amphibious assault ships. Y/N?
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 3525 Tam H 70, Wed, 29th Feb '12 3:01:27 PM from 合計虐殺 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Yep. If you can get the Harriers and the Hermes. But really, I would want a Nimitz class with a full group of Tomcats/Super Hornets.
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