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Write down what you wish to edit on the wiki. If you have been suspended from editing, another troper might be kind enough to edit for you after your suggestions have been corrected.

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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3301: Jan 14th 2017 at 5:32:11 AM

[up][up][up] @brb1006

  • Sanrio gives use -> Sanrio gives us
  • while Hana-Maru is the opposite -> This is redundant and can be deleted.
  • compared to Badtz-Maru who -> compared to Badtz-Maru, who
  • Hello Kitty's Animation Theater -> Hello Kitty's Animation Theater (How to Write an Example - Emphasis For Work Names)

  • Super Mario Odyssey -> Super Mario Odyssey
  • gives use the new unnamed bunny antagonists who -> gives us the new unnamed bunny antagonists, who
  • appear to be a group of Quirky Mini Boss Squad that are -> appear to be a Quirky Mini Boss Squad that is

edited 14th Jan '17 5:33:59 AM by Arivne

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3302: Jan 14th 2017 at 5:36:25 AM

[up][up] @Mhazard

I can't see any problems with the English. Good job!

Mhazard Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#3303: Jan 14th 2017 at 6:11:48 AM

And how about my proposal for the Names The Same page (post #3290)?

Also, for Exact Words at Skyrim section:

  • In Ravenscar Hollow, a bandit was kidnapped by the Hagravens. He begs you to let him out of the cage. If you killed the Hagravens and released him, he immediately makes an attempt to mug you. Of course, you can do exactly what he ask for: release him... and let him deal with the Hagravens on his own.

edited 14th Jan '17 9:18:25 AM by Mhazard

kennydarmawan13 Since: Jul, 2014
#3304: Jan 14th 2017 at 7:40:31 AM

I think there's suppose to be a Spiritual Successor entry for Milo Murphy's Law:

  • Spiritual Successor: To Stressed Eric, as both feature main protagonists who are the Cosmic Plaything in their respective shows. However, many people agree that Milo Murphy's Law is a lot better, as it's less mean spirited and teaches to people who are Born Unlucky to conquer obstacles in life through effort, planning, and thinking.

edited 14th Jan '17 7:44:49 AM by kennydarmawan13

brb1006 Since: Aug, 2012
#3305: Jan 14th 2017 at 11:21:34 AM

(Updated)

For the Sweet Seal Page for Anime and Manga

  • Sanrio gives us Badtz-Maru's friend Hana-Maru. Hana-Maru is a good natured seal compared to Badtz-Maru who is always causing trouble and mischief. This is more notable in the anime Hello Kitty's Animation Theater which places Sanrio characters in roles as fairy tales characters.

For the Hair-Raising Hare Page for Video Games.

edited 14th Jan '17 11:22:40 AM by brb1006

"A Lady does not start fights but they can finish them"
kennydarmawan13 Since: Jul, 2014
#3306: Jan 15th 2017 at 3:26:19 AM

I think a They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot trope in effect for YMMV/[[Sing]]:

And a (probable) Historical Villain Upgrade entry on ERB Season 5:

    Frederick Douglass vs Thomas Jefferson 

Thomas Jefferson

Played by: Peter Shukoff

  • Historical Villain Upgrade: Played with. While the battle portrays him as the bad guy in context (Being pointed out for using slavery), it's very clear that Jefferson acts more heroic than his supposed portrayal, as shown in his second verse where he utterly admits his guilt.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3307: Jan 15th 2017 at 4:55:50 AM

[up][up][up][up] @Mhazard

And how about my proposal for the Name's the Same page (post #3290)?

You should ask that on the Discussion page.

  • If you killed the Hagravens and released him ->
  • what he ask for -> what he asks for

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3308: Jan 15th 2017 at 4:57:37 AM

[up][up][up][up] @kennydarmawan13

  • I think there's suppose to be -> I think there's supposed to be

  • teaches to people who -> teaches people who

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3309: Jan 15th 2017 at 5:05:37 AM

[up][up][up] @kennydarmawan13

This is a violation of How to Write an Example - Do Not Add Multiple Tropes With A Slash/Adding Multiple Tropes With A Slash Is Bad. Either pick one or add two separate entries.

  • (Being pointed out for using slavery) -> (being pointed out for using slavery)

edited 15th Jan '17 5:06:14 AM by Arivne

ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#3310: Jan 16th 2017 at 12:59:43 AM

Right. This will apply the fix and some minor additions:

  • Symmetra's position in the lore makes her into an example of this. One camp considers her a sympathetic woobie who was deceived by Vishkar since childhood and a compelling Noble Top Enforcer with autism. Another camp believes that merely serving Vishkar (considered an evil hypocritical MegaCorp) and going along with or justifying their ideals (combined with a smug attitude) makes her one-dimensional, unsympathetic and annoying. Since she can be given both Draco in Leather Pants and Ron the Death Eater treatments, it's hard to find a middle ground for her.

This gonna be OK?

edited 16th Jan '17 1:00:00 AM by ChrisX

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3311: Jan 16th 2017 at 3:48:47 AM

[up]

I don't see any problems with English in that post. :)

Bootlebat Since: Dec, 2012
#3312: Jan 16th 2017 at 10:29:45 AM

Which is correct "I wish she was a real person" or "I wish she were a real person"? I think the first one but I am not sure.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#3313: Jan 16th 2017 at 11:11:59 AM

The second, if you are speaking about a hypothetical state that does not exist. That particular tense (the past subjunctive) is somewhat obscure and I would wager that the average American could not identify it correctly. However, it is the proper usage.

For more fun, try to find a use of the present subjunctive in English that doesn't sound completely weird.

edited 16th Jan '17 11:29:57 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#3314: Jan 17th 2017 at 4:54:20 PM

Okay I have a few edits for The Good Place.

For Michael

  • Beleaguered Bureaucrat: Works himself into a frenzy trying to keep control of all the chaos that Eleonore accidentally causes. The majority of his efforts outright fail to help the problem, which just makes him more panicky.
  • Complete Immortality: Implied He was apparently born at the very beginning of time, and retirement if he takes it will consist of spending eternity being tortured after having every ounce of his body split and individually placed upon a single sun. Yet he makes it very clear he’ll still be alive and conscious through all that.
  • Dimension Lord: Of his sector of the Good Place, Michael built it and can alter it as he sees fit. Such as creating thousands of new frozen yogurt flavours, several of which embody concepts (like “mother’s love” and “full cell phone battery”).
  • Normal Fish in a Tiny Pond: While a cosmic being capable of building an entire dimension, Michael admits that this is his first real assignment and often implies that he’s actually quite low on the celestial hierarchy.

For Tahani

  • Rightly Self-Righteous: Much to Eleanor's chagrin, Tahani is a genuinely nice and caring person even if she can be a little condescending and boastful.
  • Statuesque Stunner: Is acknowledged by everyone to be very attractive, especially Eleonore, was a former model and is the second tallest member of the main cast.

For Trevor:

  • Card-Carrying Villain: Knows full well he is a horrible, obnoxious unpleasant person and is very proud of it.
  • Demon Lords and Archdevils: It’s not clear if Trevor rules the entire Bad place, or just as section, however regardless he still possess massive amounts of power down there, and as his introduction shows has an entire posse of other lesser cosmic beings under his control.
  • Dimension Lord: Of the Bad Place. Michael outright states he has complete control of all the monsters, weapons and horrible things that are there, including multi-mouthed flying bears, and can apparently send them to other dimensions if he feels like it.
  • Not-So-Harmless Villain: The majority of Trevor’s onscreen villainy falls under low key trolling and generally being an all-out jerk. However he apparently decides and implements the majority of the tortures that people suffer in his part of the bad place. Most of which are genuinely horrible, from electrocution to getting eaten alive by flying piranha.
  • Our Demons Are Different: He refers to himself as a demon at one point, although it’s unclear if he means he’s literally a different species to Michael or its just metaphoric considering his role.
  • Sharp-Dressed Man: In contrast to Michaels more relaxed but formal look, Trevor always wears a smart black suit with a tie, causing him to resemble a business executive.

For Shawn:

  • Guardian of the Multiverse: Shawn is the high adjudicator of all conflicts involving both the Good place and the bad, as well as being the highest possible authority.
  • The Stoic: Is completely calm and deadpan when he points out that Eleonore is stealing his train.

edited 17th Jan '17 5:01:18 PM by MGD107

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3315: Jan 18th 2017 at 3:12:32 AM

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  • Implied -> Implied.
  • retirement if he takes it will -> retirement (if he takes it) will

  • or just as section, -> or just a section.
  • he still possess -> he still possesses
  • shows has an entire posse -> shows he has an entire posse

It’s not clear if Trevor rules the entire Bad place, or just a section, however regardless he still possesses massive amounts of power down there, and as his introduction shows he has an entire posse of other lesser cosmic beings under his control.

This is a run-on sentence and should be split into two smaller sentences.

It’s not clear if Trevor rules the entire Bad place, or just a section. Regardless, he still possesses massive amounts of power down there, and as his introduction shows he has an entire posse of other lesser cosmic beings under his control.

  • or its just metaphoric considering his role. -> or it's just metaphoric, considering his role.

  • In contrast to Michaels more -> In contrast to Michael's more

  • both the Good place and the bad -> both the Good place and the Bad (Bad is capitalized in an earlier example)

Mhazard Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#3316: Jan 18th 2017 at 9:42:13 AM

For Cosmic Break:

  • Beach Episode: Switsuit version of Lunastasia, Crimrose and Fiona can be purchased with Rt (real life currency), while swimsuit Ivis was temporarily available in gashapon shop during late August 2016.
  • Gratuitous English: Clairmorte occasionally saids "Rest in peace." in Japanese accent when she kills an enemy.
    Clairmorte: "Resto-in-pea-tsu."
  • Gratuitous German: Hanna Fritz has two weapons with German names, namely the HandGewehrnote , a handheld semi-automatic carbine rifle, and the Spitz Eisennote , a Pile Bunker which she uses it to pierce through her enemies in a high speed.
  • Putting on the Reich: Hanna wears German military uniform and the Iron Cross, as well as numerous weapons with German names.

[down][down] Thanks. :3

For gashapon, it means a machine which drops randomized capsule for each purchase, and in the game, the Gashapon Shop gives you a randomized unit or item for each purchase, so you can't always get the unit you wanted within one or two purchases.

edited 20th Jan '17 2:59:44 AM by Mhazard

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3318: Jan 19th 2017 at 4:00:01 AM

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  • Switsuit version of Lunastasia, Crimrose and Fiona -> Swimsuit versions of Lunastasia, Crimrose and Fiona
  • gashapon shop -> ??? I have no idea what you mean by "gashapon".

  • Clairmorte occasionally saids "Rest in peace." in Japanese accent ->
    • Clairmorte occasionally says "Rest in peace." in a Japanese accent

  • pierce through her enemies in a high speed. -> pierce through her enemies at high speed.

  • Hanna wears German military uniform -> Hanna wears a German military uniform
  • as well as numerous weapons -> as well as carrying numerous weapons (you usually don't "wear" a weapon).

ConservativePip Since: Feb, 2015
#3319: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:06:51 AM

For The Lad-ette under PantyAndStockingWithGarterbelt Her lady-like look may be deceiving. She also has been seen picking her nose more than once and not just in that one episode. Panty has also slept with a lot of guy including a main character

edited 20th Jan '17 9:07:24 AM by ConservativePip

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3320: Jan 21st 2017 at 1:26:12 AM

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  • Her lady-like look may be deceiving. -> This appears to violate Examples Are Not Arguable.

  • She also has been seen picking her nose ->
    • She has been seen picking her nose (you don't have any other examples before this, so "also" is incorrect).

  • Panty has also slept with a lot of guy including -> Panty has also slept with a lot of guys, including

edited 21st Jan '17 1:26:59 AM by Arivne

Mhazard Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#3321: Jan 21st 2017 at 2:46:48 AM

For Gatling Good:

  • The M.S.G Weapon Unit #20 model kit released by Kotobukiya features a gatling gun with wind-up motor, it is compatible with the Frame Arms and Frame Arms Girl series.

For Shield Bash at Dark Souls III:

  • The Valorheart, a paired set of a gladius and a shield, incorporates shield bashing into its moveset, such as the spinning bash in the standard attack, and the weapon skill "Lion's Roar", which knocks down the enemies by a strong bash with a lion's roar.

edited 21st Jan '17 3:02:12 AM by Mhazard

rafi Since: Jun, 2014
#3322: Jan 21st 2017 at 3:57:28 AM

For Marshmallow Dream (replacing an old and obsolete example)

  • In To Love Ru and the sequel Darkness, Rito often dream about ice creams and marshmallows. Due of he being the king of Accidental Pervert, if a girl is near to him in this moment she inevitably will become victim of his "acts" like grope and lick her thinking she as a marshmallow and/or ice cream. The first time is in the first series with his sister (grabbing her butt); fortunately she pinches his cheek to have him release her.

ConservativePip Since: Feb, 2015
#3323: Jan 21st 2017 at 7:27:58 AM

For The Lad-ette under PantyAndStockingWithGarterbelt Her lady-like is deceiving. She has been seen picking her nose more than once and not just in that one episode where everyone is doing it. Panty has also slept with a lot of guys including a main character

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3324: Jan 22nd 2017 at 3:39:25 AM

[up][up][up] @Mhazard

  • with wind-up motor -> with a wind-up motor

The M.S.G Weapon Unit #20 model kit released by Kotobukiya features a gatling gun with a wind-up motor, it is compatible with the Frame Arms and Frame Arms Girl series.

This is a run-on sentence and needs to be split up into two separate sentences.

The M.S.G Weapon Unit #20 model kit released by Kotobukiya features a gatling gun with a wind-up motor. It is compatible with the Frame Arms and Frame Arms Girl series.

  • which knocks down the enemies -> which knocks down enemies

edited 22nd Jan '17 3:40:01 AM by Arivne

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3325: Jan 22nd 2017 at 3:45:09 AM

[up][up][up] @rafi

  • Rito often dream about -> Rito often dreams about
  • Due of he being the king -> Due to him being the king
  • of Accidental Pervert -> of Accidental Perverts
  • if a girl is near to him in this moment -> if a girl is near him at this moment
  • will become victim -> will become a victim
  • grope and lick her thinking she as a marshmallow ->
    • groping and licking her, thinking her to be a marshmallow
  • to have him release her. -> to make him release her.


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