Series/Supernatural

That the stand-alone episodes don't fit into the overall lore is a problem which goes back to the very first season. Sadly. The way the rules for werewolves and vampires changed is the most glaring one.

Vampires got a LOT more sensitive in the later seasons.

Dean should not have been able to sneak up on one in season 1 given what Live Free or Twi Hard revealed about their super senses.

They also switched from being a dying race, afraid of hunters, to being able to create new vampires left and right, which begs the question why exactly are they a dying race.

They weren't "a dying race". They were hunted to near extinction.

They went underground to avoid further confrontation with hunters, until Elkin's personal nemesis ('s wife) hunted him down and killed him.

And then Eve came along and started ordering them to reproduce again.

Well the show's vampire mythos has always been a bit wacked since the method for killing one looks like it would very easily create more. (seriously you have to chop off the head of a blood-borne illness carrier? - or the episode where Dean DRINKS A BEER WHILE COVERED IN VAMP BLOOD!) The cure revealed in S6 is about the only thing that makes it workable.

But they did admit they were working to make more in S6 along with other monsters.

Yeah, except they never outright contradicted the ongoing plots. We never saw anything like "Fresh Blood" revealing that Dean wasn't going to Hell after all or Famine in "My Bloody Valentine" saying that he needs to eat to free Lucifer.

The problem is that S9 didn't have plots, it had writing prompts strewn about the place hoping fanfic writers could do all the work the actual writers couldn't be arsed to.

edited 30th Jun '16 6:24:57 PM by NateWinchester

How is it that destroying the brain wouldn't kill the vamp? Like. Shooting it through the head doesn't even slow it down.

Bobby definitively proved that sufficient trauma (hurrah woodchippers) could kill corporeal monsters, even ones with only one specific kill method.

I think that first saying that Werewolves are unable to control themselves and then showing that they actually can is a huge contradiction. As is the way witches are portrayed, going from some woman with some nasty spells to a whole society with familiars. Or ghost themselves. In the first season Sam and Dean salt one specific ghost in a sanatorium but leave the others in peace, but later (especially in the seventh season) it is established that ghost go violent sooner or later if bound to earth. Except some apparently don't. Or demons. First appearance, and the demon in question was only able to possess people who were particularly afraid of flying because they would open themselves up to them, later on they can hop from body to body whenever they can. (vessels in general are just one big contradiction).

Interestingly season 11 cleared up at least some of those points....

Season 1 then season 8 (oh look, Carver again). Unless you're referring to something else. Regardless it's not relevant to a season-long arc.

The 1 good retcon to come from Carver's years was the revelation that there were 3 types of witches. Oh and the society was in... season 8! (seriously, you can play a Carver violating canon drinking game)

Also, never relevant to a season long plot (yeah I said it, Rowena).

Tessa warned Dean about it back in S2 actually. And then later that season (episode #7) actually had an alternate ghost, the Death Echo. Also in S 7 E 19, they actually have a house full of trapped ghosts (like the S1 asylum) which are all non violent, only the one keeping them there is violent. So you apparently misread something.

Also, not ever relevant to a season long plot.

First of all, NO, that's NOT what was up with the demon in #4. Here's the actual lines:

• SAM: Just take it one step at a time, all right? Now, who is it possessing?
• DEAN: It's usually gonna be somebody with some sort of weakness, you know, a chink in the armor that the demon can worm through. Somebody with an addiction or some sort of emotional distress.

Second, I will admit that specifically is an adjustment they did do to the rules of the world for obvious drama, but it can at least be partially handwaved that maybe it's related to a demon's power. After all, later that same season Azazel is so strong he isn't affected (or can hide the effects) by holy water.

And most of the problems with meat suits... came from Carver's seasons (like the f'ing Reapers bullshit).

• checks* No it didn't. The closest that's been cleared up is the witches thing and that was back in S9.

I don't get why you keep talking about the myth arc when I was pointing out that the filler episodes created contradictions from the get go.

Season 11 solved the question with the amulet (if Cuck is god why didn't it glow in his presence?) and cleared up if Gabriel is dead or not and removed the ghosts from the sanatorium among other things. It felt like someone was smoothing out the lore left and right. It was also one of the few times they actually showed how the public reacts to all those strange happening by coming up with some sort of explanation.

I never thought the amulet thing really needed to be solved. He's God, of course it won't glow if He doesn't allow it to.

'Cause I was originally referring to when a "filler" episode (really, they were all filler, and that one could even be argued as an arc episode) in S9 directly contradicted an arc episode in the same season. Whatever contradictions there were before were either pretty minor or required minimum explaining effort (save maybe that antichrist crap from S5 but it was at least a one and done). So much of Carver's run has required outright junking or rewriting of episodes (even ones during his run).

What the fandom is now up in arms about is whether God teleported the amulet into Sam's pocket (that was my assumption) or did Sam have it all along and nobody knew.

Anyway, moving on, here's an awesome artist we found who sells custom funko pops, in case any of you want Rufus sitting on your desk. (I know I do)

Now lets see what happens with new show runner and a whole crap load of new writers. I hope they all binge watch the show before starting.

"like the f'ing Reapers bullshit"

what is the issue with reapers?

The implication that they're just a type of angel (started in S8's "Taxi Driver").

I don't like the Reapers being Angels either.

Agreement. But the Reapers were changed way too often in general. First we have the reaper which could be controlled. Then they introduced Tessa which I felt was a great take on the reaper. But then they show reapers again as a bunch of old guys, with Tessa being the exception. While I don't like the suggestion Reapers as angels, I am glad that they moved away from that notion and the old guys reapers again. Plus, I like Billie as a character, and her threatening that she would "loose" Sam's and Dean's soul brought at least some tension back to the show.

WTF? What does Tessa have to do with "reapers being controlled"? That's... that's not a change at all. They also showed Tessa's true form in S2. And Bobby's reaper was hardly old◊. They even came right out and said in Tessa's appearance, "For example, did you know that reapers can alter human perception? I sure didn't. Basically they can make themselves appear however they want. Like, say, uh, a pretty girl." That you misinterpreted that all reapers must look exactly alike (and can't have any variation like people do) is not an indication that the writers actually changed anything.

I remember that line, but I felt that it was discarded because it never came up again, and unless I missed something during my binge-watch, they never brought it up again and Tessa never changed how she looks.

Why would she change how she looks? And it's entirely logical for Reapers to have "favorite appearance" (that just happens to be TV budget-friendly) the way we might have a favorite outfit. Demons certainly seem to get 'attached' to certain bodies for their appearance. It's an old shape-shifting trope of storytelling.

How does everyone feel about Mary being back? I hope the writers don't screw it up.

It's a stupid development. Adam is still fucking alive, and stuck in hell. But Mary, who is quite peacefully passed away, is back? afsd;oigjaweojfoaiwjefaaaaaasdijge

From a story perspective it makes sense in the context of her gift. Adam while alive probably does not exactly come off as a big gift. I am curious to how her revival results in anything interesting for the new season.

We've been through this before. (grandpa in S6) It was a big disappointment then, that's what I'm going to guess it will be now but who knows, there's always a chance to be surprised.

I mostly wish that they had picked the other actress if they want to go that route. But honestly, there is a ton of other characters I would have preferred to have back in the game, not to mention that there are a ton of possible storylines which are worth exploring.

What I would like them to do above everything else is to finally forget the status quo and actually show some effects all the events in the past had on the world. For example, did Castiel create a new religion when he wandered around as a god? Are there people actually believing in the Winchester gospel? And what about Bela Talbot...it has been established in the show that demons are twisted souls which ended up in hell, so theoretically she could be back as a demon.

edited 17th Aug '16 1:08:20 PM by Swanpride

Maggie would have to die off the Walking Dead first. Schedules, or something.