He was just a construct in a false reality created by Metatron. Gabe's still dead.
When Dean finished off Abaddon all I could think about was:
I'm gonna desecrate your corpse
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Also, Crowley & Son would be another great spinoff.
edited 7th May '14 5:34:05 AM by NateWinchester
Mistakes Were Made
If we're throwing around spin-off ideas then I adding Dr. Sexy M.D. to the list.
‘My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’
Abaddon died? Aw, I heard that she was really awesome. And supposedly unkillable.
He's the Doctor. He could be anywhere in time and space.
No they had established that she could be killed by "the First Blade" and had a whole side quest this season to get it.
(though I say if an angel blade can kill reapers it should have been able to kill her too)
Role Model
Damn, spoiler tags would've been nice... I haven't seen it yet.
The spin-off was not ordered to start a season.
The sad, REAL American dichotomy
Well that's good. Too bad we already had a wasted episode, but at least now we can try and pretend it didn't happen.
oh.... my bad WLW. The episode wasn't as great as Jody's but it isn't bad.
Wait... why do you visit this thread before you watch the episode?
I had another geekasm as a guest star from a 90s scifi show I loved showed up.
Oh hey, NBC is doing a Constantine series.
If they don't get Misha Collins to do a guest star in one episode... I'll lose all respect for them.
Fair warning: if you have any affection for the Kripke era of Supernatural, you are probably NOT going to like the latest episode.
I thought the episode was good, but Reapers are angels now? That seems to be completely out of left field.
IT IS OUT OF LEFT FIELD!
It's a complete, 100%, shark-jumping canon-raping ass pull!
On NO level does it make any sense.
I wouldn't go that far; I mean, does it sound dumb, yeah, but there was never anything specifically stating that they weren't, no.
Actually, yes there were several specific instances where they said and implied that no, they weren't. The distinction is very clear.
It'd be rather like saying "Well nobody ever specifically said werewolves weren't vampires."
edited 14th May '14 6:08:40 PM by NateWinchester
Can you refresh my memory on that one? I don't remember any specific instances.
I think this episode just made explicit what the show's been doing for a while. Explains why there were Reapers visible to non-dead people when they introduced Rogues and why they died to angel blades.
Oh man, the distinctions are so many...
Well here's the most obvious ones:
And of course the entirity of episodes like 2.01 and 4.15. Let's have fun listing! Off the top of my head...
Why are the reaper traps and angel traps different? Why can reapers be controlled and angels can't? Why can reapers be possessed and angels can't? How threatening is Death to God if the former has to rent workers from the latter? When first meeting Castiel, Bobby decorates the room with "everything he knows". He has to know about things that deal with reapers, so why isn't Castiel stopped by the room? How were reapers taken into a building completely warded against angels in 4.15? In 4.15, why take the scythe of Death (who may not be happy you did) when you can just borrow Lucifer's sword to kill reapers? Why not just set up some holy fire? How lucky is it that Tessa found a compatible vessel (AND it said yes) that looked JUST like all the other times she's seen Dean without a vessel? If reapers are now "fallen" like other angels, how is anybody dying in the world? Shouldn't there be a rash of immortality everywhere as reapers find themselves unable to get to where they're needed? Why can reapers track someone despite angel wardings put on them? Why do reapers have to take life & health from one person to heal another but angels can heal somebody outright? Why didn't Sue-Ann use the reaper to restore her husband's sight? (epi 1.12)
Again, that's just off the top of my head.
Why could Alistair kill Reapers in a ritual sacrifice when he had no fucking idea how to kill Angels?
Not only that, but reapers have been in the show since Season 1. Tessa was introduced in the very first episode of Season 2. There were detailed documentations on Reapers in John's hunting journal. Reapers were a well-known existence.
When Castiel was introduced in Season 4, everyone was in disbelief that angels existed, and a big deal was made about how they have not appeared in the last two millenniums. Nobody knew about what to do against them because it was such a new force out of nowhere to them.
Also it's sad, rewatching that episode reminded me of how much Dean and Tessa originally bonded. Dean immediately kept calling her pretty, and Tessa said he was very cute. What a waste for the show to throw her away just like Anna by just having her be "brainwashed" and then killed off as a psycho villain.
edited 15th May '14 7:11:41 AM by moekou
Besides the "reapers are angels" crap, I'm wondering what was the point of having Tessa in the episode if it was to make her a completely different character. Seriously, if it wasn't the same actress I would've thought they just shared a name and nothing more.
𐀀𐀩𐀯𐀂𐀰𐀅𐀡𐀄
Because the writers wanted to invoke an emotional connection and shock from their audience without having to do any of the work or effort to build up that connection and horror.
In other words, because the writes were lazy.
Huh, so this season basically ended with "No Dean, you are the demons."
edited 20th May '14 7:19:40 PM by thatguywhotypesstuff
How did Gabriel come back?
He's the Doctor. He could be anywhere in time and space.