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Who is Kurt Gödel and what did he do?:

I first heard his name from the boisterous mouths of nerds, chattering about set theories and the like with the excited fervour of lemons. I wonder, what was he so famous for?

This is for a snide geeky reference I'm thinking of putting in as a major plot point.

 2 Tzetze, Thu, 30th Sep '10 8:15:11 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
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He was a logician. Usually known for his incompleteness theorems. I was going to go into a long technical thing here, but it's kind of complicated... the problem is that people tend to hear about the theorems and overestimate what they are.

So let me see... basically, he proved that some true mathematical statements are impossible to prove deductively. I think that that's a fair description.
 3 Wicked 223, Thu, 30th Sep '10 8:15:35 PM from Death Star in the forest
Logician/mathematician/philospher.
You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
 4 Noaqiyeum, Thu, 30th Sep '10 8:36:43 PM from Ockham Asylum Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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Godel's incompleteness theorems, in summary:

(1) No system of logic can be devised that will separate all true statements from all false statements.  *

(2) Any logical system that both (a) contains arithmetic, and (b) can prove its own consistency, is inconsistent.

edited 30th Sep '10 8:39:13 PM by Noaqiyeum

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Ja! Would there be any other quirks of his I need to know to distinguish him more from his other colleagues?

 6 Tzetze, Thu, 30th Sep '10 10:32:44 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
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He was loony. In his later years, he only ate food prepared by his wife, due to fear of poisoning by assassins. When his wife was hospitalized for a few weeks, he starved to death. He was also devoutly Christian, and looked like the Ur-Dork as he was younger.

edited 30th Sep '10 10:33:38 PM by Tzetze

 7 Madrugada, Thu, 30th Sep '10 10:54:24 PM Relationship Status: In season
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And between Noaqiyeum and Tzetze, you have Godel in a nutshell. So to speak.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
 8 Noaqiyeum, Fri, 1st Oct '10 12:35:36 PM from Ockham Asylum Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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If Nikola Tesla was the Real Life Trope Codifier of the Mad Scientist, by the same standards Kurt Godel was the Real Life Trope Codifier of the Mad Mathematician.
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No, I think (by way of horrible memory) that while Tesla was in many ways unique, mathematics has an odd ability to pick up a lot more Mad Mathematicians. Paul Erdos, for example, was quite insane too. Cantor wasn't the stablest of men either, come to think of it...

OH GODS WHAT AM I GETTING INTO!?
 10 Tzetze, Fri, 1st Oct '10 3:08:16 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
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You should read Logicomix, Latw PIAT. Then you could help me make the page less terrible Then you could learn about the mild craziness of Russell, Whitehead, Wittgenstein, and the whoa anti-Semitism of Frege.

And yet I think that I would prefer that to what happened to Moses Schönfinkel.

One more thing about Gödel: He was good friends with Einstein in later life, and according to Oskar Morgenstern, Einstein told him (Morgenstern) that his own work wasn't that important any more, and that he (Einstein) only came to the Institute for Advanced Study so that he could walk home with Gödel.
 11 Noaqiyeum, Fri, 1st Oct '10 3:35:50 PM from Ockham Asylum Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
No, I think (by way of horrible memory) that while Tesla was in many ways unique, mathematics has an odd ability to pick up a lot more Mad Mathematicians. Paul Erdos, for example, was quite insane too. Cantor wasn't the stablest of men either, come to think of it...
Hey, now, I can think of plenty of Real Life Mad Scientists. Most of them were involved with the Manhattan Project (and Hungarian), but still.

One more thing about Gödel: He was good friends with Einstein in later life, and according to Oskar Morgenstern, Einstein told him (Morgenstern) that his own work wasn't that important any more, and that he (Einstein) only came to the Institute for Advanced Study so that he could walk home with Gödel.

...This I did not know. Win!

edited 1st Oct '10 3:36:38 PM by Noaqiyeum

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