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Regarding the Trivia namespace (crowner restarted Aug 17):

 801 Troacctid, Thu, 31st May '12 2:13:29 PM from California
Follow the Leader is one of those ones that's awkward because it gets used for both the Leader and the Follower. For the Leader, it's trivia, and for the Follower, it's a trope.

I'm still not sure what the best way to handle those cases is.

edited 31st May '12 2:14:08 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 802 Septimus Heap, Tue, 5th Jun '12 12:17:28 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
 803 St Fan, Fri, 8th Jun '12 5:07:10 PM Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Sweeto!
I'mm adding Flashback with the Other Darrin; considering The Other Darrin is already trivia, this one should be as well, I guess.
Seeking for Light
[up] The Other Darrin doesn't seem like it should be trivia to me; it's clearly something visible from within the work itself.

 805 Troacctid, Fri, 8th Jun '12 6:19:41 PM from California
Flashback with the Other Darrin seems less Trivia and more Enforced Trope to me.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 806 Mag Bas, Fri, 8th Jun '12 7:30:24 PM from In my house
[up][up]The Other Darrin includes dub voices- and depending of the competence of the guy realizing the voice, it is not noticeable.

 807 St Fan, Thu, 14th Jun '12 12:52:43 PM Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Sweeto!
That's true about The Other Darrin... it may not fit in Trivia in the first place. It's one of these tropes that is hard to judge.

edited 14th Jun '12 12:52:54 PM by StFan

It occurred to me that The Abridged Series on its non-abridged work doesn't really belong in the main trope list and it looks like I'm not the only one who thought so. But I recognize that it's a genre. So it may need special treatment: list it as a trope only on the pages for actual abridged series works, and either trivia or audience reaction (because its fan work) on other work pages.

Seeking for Light
[up] Or list it under the Fan Works namespace for the work it comes from.

edited 15th Jun '12 3:54:44 PM by Nocturna

 810 nrjxll, Fri, 15th Jun '12 3:56:36 PM Relationship Status: Not war
But The Abridged Series - as opposed to individual abridged series - is a trope, and as such belongs on a trope page of some kind, which a Fan Works page isn't.

Added Adaptation Overdosed, Adaptation Sequence and Recursive Adaptation.

edited 24th Jun '12 12:05:24 PM by LordGro

It's perfectly possible to admire building a cannon to destroy the moon, whilst lamenting the act of destruction.
Adding Production Posse and Those Two Actors.
It's perfectly possible to admire building a cannon to destroy the moon, whilst lamenting the act of destruction.
94. Grandmaster of Shark
Added Art Evolution.

Seeking for Light
[up] That's not trivia; it's evident within the work itself.

94. Grandmaster of Shark
It's not a story telling trope, which is out definition for trivia.

Adding God-Created Canon Foreigner. It's interesting to know that a Canon Foreigner was created by the original creator but it's not something anyone can find out within the work itself.

edited 3rd Jul '12 12:35:47 PM by captainpat

Seeking for Light
[up][up] No, our definition for trivia is for things not noticeable in the work itself. See the crowner description.

Technical aspects (like special effects, camera angles, etc.) are tropes. Art Evolution falls under that.

 818 Mag Bas, Wed, 4th Jul '12 12:43:16 PM from In my house
Here is the definition of trivia in the own trivia page: "Trivia pages are attached to the work they are about, on the Trivia tab. They are for on-topic information, fun facts that are not really storytelling tropes (unless they happen In-Universe).

Trivia falls into classifications that is to say, little bundles of similar facts. The bundles are listed on the wiki because they are sort of fun. If you find an example from one of the following little bundles, it goes on the Trivia tab of the work, not its storytelling (main) trope examples list.

You can also add Trivia items that don't fit any category or premade page as long as it is legitimately trivia, and not a trope or an Audience Reaction."

Seeking for Light
The technical aspects really are a part of storytelling, as they affect the way the story is presented, perceived, and processed. They're tropes, not trivia.

94. Grandmaster of Shark
No, they aren't. Tropes are purely a creative concept, they are recurring themes in fiction. Art Evolution is a technical aspect of the creation of a product. It is not a trope, not even remotely, none of the technical stuff is.

edited 4th Jul '12 5:57:51 PM by eX

 821 ccoa, Thu, 5th Jul '12 10:07:03 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
The definition of "Trivia" that we have been working with for over a year is that it is only Trivia if it is not visible in the work.

Changing that definition is not something one person can arbitrarily do - if it needs changing, it will require debate and probably a crowner.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
94. Grandmaster of Shark
I am only going by other trivia tropes and by the definition we have on out trivia page - as Mag Bas posted -. E.g. The Other Darrin. It's clearly visible in work, but we list is as trivia nevertheless.

edited 6th Jul '12 1:27:20 AM by eX

The technical stuff is a trope if it has a storytelling purpose. Doing an Art Shift has a storytelling purpose. Doing The Oner has a storytelling purpose.

Trivia is stuff like the fact that an actress was getting a divorce during filming, or that she'd played a dissimilar role in another movie.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
I'm nominating three items to the list.

Added Cult Actor to the crowner. It's a... list of cult actors.

Page Action: Trivia 4
16th Jul '12 9:55:27 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
We are going to use the Trivia page for facts that are not tropes. Please vote up for items you'd like moved to the Trivia page and down those you think should stay among the tropes. Struck out items have already been added, please direct your attention to the rest.

Note: An option has consensus to move to trivia when it has at least 10 votes and at least a 2:1 ratio. Please do not call items until they have been on the crowner for at least 48 hours.

To vote, access the crowner directly.

Previous crowners are here, here, and here

Trivia is for insignificant factoids about a work or its creation that cannot be determined from the work itself.
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