it's not about a comparison. like i've said before, i'm not familiar with Monster
, but either way i don't subscribe to comparing villains from different works to "measure" complete monstrosity. IMO, you can have a Complete Monster
in a dark, cynical drama as much as you can have one in animation for children. whether or not they're more/less of a Complete Monster
has nothing to do with anything, as long as they fit the criteria. you either are a Complete Monster
, or you aren't, independently of whether unrelated characters have committed much more horrible actions than you have.
depend, however, on how the character is presented. a character that is portrayed as a joke cannot
be a Complete Monster
— that's what tropes like Laughably Evil
are around for. for this
trope, it's not just what he does and how horrible it is, it also involves how other characters react
to what he does, and how the work handles other evil characters.
now, as applied to szayel, i don't think he's necessarily portrayed
as a joke. i don't think that's what kubo intended. i think he's portrayed as... quirky (in the widest definition of the word). one might consider him Evilly Affable
(i believe he's listed on that page, actually). his quirks just lead me
to see him as a bit of a joke; he's certainly atrocious, possibly one of the most atrocious and disgusting characters i've ever known, but when i think back on him, what stays with me are his quirks, more than his atrocities (and thank god for that. i don't want
to have the image of the tentacles seared into my brain, thankyouverymuch). much like with mayuri.
don't matter when it comes to the criteria; what's important is that the characters
never treat him as a joke. they're certainly revulsed or scared of him. so i think he can fit the criteria as they are stated.
i was just stating personal preference— you might remember him for the nemu deal, but i remember him for the pink hair and the elton john glasses and the butterfly wings. there's really no need to get defensive on the topic. i was just expressing surprise that everybody seems to take him so seriously; i always assumed there were more people out there who thought like me. but hey, if it turns out my cynicism makes me unique, i've no problem with that.
i've always considered aizen more of a Magnificent Bastard
, myself. but again, i think he fits the criteria for CM-ness, or at least makes a good enough case for it. the only thing that leaves me hanging is that we haven't exactly been shown what's going through his head, nor gotten enough backstory to make an informed judgement on a few of the criteria. and, of course, the series isn't over yet.
edited 12th Nov '10 7:24:14 AM by carla