Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

The problem here is whoever brought up Hunter Cain in the first place just never mentioned his wife at all.

Stromberg doesn't count because his actions were a means of achieving what he believed was the greater good. Same could be said for the original Blofeld. Then again, he knew it wasn't the greater good, but it was an ideology he firmly believed in that he sought for the betterment of yes his own self interests, but he did it knowing his allies would benefit just as much as he would.

The new Blofeld was a sadist who got off on the misery and damage he caused and had only his own self-interests in mind. He devoted himself to destroying one person's life just because he could and he loved every minute of it.

I take it Silva doesn't qualify because despite wanting desperately to destroy her, he did indeed care about M and in the end, couldn't directly bring himself to kill her outright?

Can you please stop bringing up examples nobody is discussing just to discount them? Stromberg and Scaramanga and Largo and whoever else aren't being proposed by anyone. Silva doesn't qualify for an enormous host of reasons. Not least of which is he has a massive Freudian Excuse and does care for M, albeit in a twisted manner. Also, Blofeld was in no way, shape or form devoted to the greater good.

Yes. For the first books with Nick, he and Deirdre are in a sexual relationship, and while Deirdre clearly worships the ground he walks on, Nick treats her more like an elite soldier without much by way of genuine affection. He then uses her as a sacrifice for a plan in her final book. The issue comes from when Harry hits him with her death is a way I think even Nick was surprised by, but while he manipulated and killed Deirdre and left her soul to suffer whatever Hades will come up with, he still cares about her, as much as he probably didn't want to. Harry's comment on how her first word must've been "daddy" hits him bad. It's a very specific context that draws the feeling out, and we had no reason to believe he cared for Deirdre before the book.

edited 30th Nov '15 7:24:28 AM by Lightysnake

Man, that's some twisted "love" right there, but seems like he did love her (that was his own daughter, right?).
Incidentally, seems like Hunter was discussed previously. Incidentally to that, are how many entries OE voted cut that I guess the majority voted to keep (Atrocitus, Pong Krell, Helga).

I'm sorry. I didn't know. I just thought it was worth bringing up. Definitely agree on Silva having a host of reasons why he doesn't count. I corrected myself on Blofeld. Even though he knows he's doing wrong and doesn't care, he strongly believes in his ideology. That was my underlying point.

Two other quotes for the MCU, both on Garrett:

John Garrett: "Phil, this is me being pragmatic. (probable paraphrase)" Phil Coulson: "No John, this is you being a psychopath."

Nick Fury: "You didn't tell me he was this crazy. (possible paraphrase)" Phil Coulson: "He's really stepped it up a notch."

When my Agents of SHIELD villain Brett Petrie is added to the CM page officially, would he be put under the MCU page too? Or would he not qualify because he's fan fiction?

edited 30th Nov '15 10:25:01 AM by futuremoviewriter

Fan-fiction examples are put on the fanworks page.

Quotes added.

• That Guy with the Glasses:
  • Atop the Fourth Wall: Mechakara is a robot from an alternate dimension where Linkara's Robot Buddy Pollo turned evil, killed him, and robots overthrew humanity. His plans solely revolve around sending Linkara into a mental breakdown; and, when that fails, he captures him and plans to kill him slowly, simply because his death went too fast the first time around. While that would normally make him just another killer robot, what shoots him over the top is how, after getting the magic MacGuffin that he came for, he decides instead to destroy all organic life in the multiverse. He's a cold heartless monster and the fact that he's returned is a signal he'll only get worse from here. During the Silent Hill Dead/Alive videos, Mechakara slowly Mind Rapes Linkara into thinking he's the (actually long dead) man who tortured his daughter to create Linkara's Magic Gun and almost convinces him to kill himself. In To Boldly Flee he passes himself off as Linkara and infiltrates the USS Exit Strategy, intending to kill the entire crew with the help of the forcibly assimilated Todd and Nostalgia Chick. Mechakara would later assimilate the crew of the Caelestis space station and drained the life force of one astronaut in an attempt to recharge the ship. Only working with others when his goals coincide with theirs and perfectly willing to kill them when they don't, Mechakara is fueled only by his hatred for Linkara and all organic life forms.
  • Suburban Knights: Malachite is an age-old, Evil Luddite whose ultimate goal is to rid the world of all technology, thus destroying it. Once noble, Malachite turned to dark ways after the scientist Aeon was picked over his own magical ways by the king of the land, leading Malachite to try and kill Aeon before being defeated. In the present, Malachite sealed Jaffers in a magical tome after he picked up too much knowledge, and manipulated the TGWTG crew into finding his gauntlet for him. Along the way, Malachite sets about mercilessly murdering whomever comes in his way while deriding them for their use of modern day technology. Malachite ultimately proves out to be a massive hypocrite: the deliberate use of his phone, while comedic, proves that Malachite is simply trying to destroy the world out of petty revenge for being picked on in the past. He proceeds to kill two of the guardians and Jaffers before attempting to kill all of the TGWTG crew, succeeding in killing off Ma-Ti in his own defeat. Unflinchingly ruthless in his goal and and notably dark given the source material, Malachite proved to be one of the darkest villains fought by the The Nostalgia Critic and company.

edited 30th Nov '15 3:33:21 PM by randomtroper89

@ACW, I'm sorry, but I couldn't find an image of Ronan that actually showed him in the process of killing the captive. Even if I had, I have no idea how to upload a picture to the wiki. Sorry. Maybe somebody else could track one down, or the MCU page could use a different image. That one of Whitehall's pretty good.

to Thor, by the way.

Oh, and I finally saw Spectre (not terrible; plot was thin and predictable, the female lead was underwritten, and there was a lot of potential that didn't get properly utilised) last night. Belated to Oberhauser, although I will say this: Christoph Waltz is a great actor, I don't think anybody can really beat Donald Pleasance's performance as Blofeld.

edited 30th Nov '15 1:44:20 PM by DeCarta

Very late Thor. By the way, I saw the movie just today. Really good.

• RT 89: Yeah, was what I was thinking of doing.
• Image: Save it to your computer, then use the Image Uploader,

I need to request a few modifications to Malachite's entry.

• Malachite is an age-old Evil Luddite who's ultimate goal is to rid the world of all technology, thus destroying it. Once noble, Malachite turned to dark ways after the scientist Aeon was picked over his own magical ways by the king of the land, leading Malachite to try and kill Aeon before being defeated. In the present, Malachite sealed Jaffers in a magical tome after he picked up too much knowledge, and manipulated the TGWTG crew into finding his gauntlet for him. Along the way, Malachite sets about mercilessly murdering whomever comes in his way whilst deriding them for their use of modern day technology. Malachite ultimately proves out to be a massive hypocrite: the deliberate use of his phone, while comedic, proves that Malachite is simply trying to destroy the world out of petty revenge for being picked over in the past. Malachite swiftly proceeds to try and murder everyone else standing in his way, succeeding in taking Ma-Ti in his own defeat. Unflinchingly ruthless in his goal and and notably dark given the source material, Malachite proved to be one of the darkest villains fought by the The Nostalgia Critic and company.

There were a few minor errors, some that, looking back when the rewrite was first made, seemed to surface after it had been edited.

edited 30th Nov '15 5:21:13 PM by Scraggle

Here goes nothing. It's a picture of Ronan when he's right about to make the kill. I was hoping to find one where he's in mid-swing, but that's life.

PS: Hey, I'm the 48000th post!

edited 30th Nov '15 3:30:06 PM by DeCarta

Please add that to the YMMV.

x19

Chara hasn't really been brought up, except to note that people have added him as a CM without coming to the thread. I think the fandom is slowly deciding against him being a Complete Monster (partially because his worst behavior is a consequence of the Player deciding to do a No Mercy run, partially because it's unclear that he didn't have a real friendship with Asriel, partially because a CM is sort of antithetical to the themes of Undertale.)

If you want a real consideration of Chara, do an effort post.

edited 30th Nov '15 5:23:09 PM by thok

Is it time to seriously consider Theo Galavan?

His goal: to kill Bruce Wayne and perform a hostile takeover of Wayne Enterprises.

His motive: to avenge the honor of an ancestor who may or may not be guilty of the crime for which he had lost his arm and the family had lost its legacy.

His crimes: killing or ordering the deaths of dozens of people (including a Joker candidate), torturing Mayor James and forcing him to lie about it, corrupting numerous other politicians (including at least a couple of police officers), attempting to ritually murder Bruce Wayne, and ultimately attempting to murder Silver St. Cloud, his own niece, personally.

His outcome: even his own sister abandons him, and Gordon first attempts to arrest him (not only forcing him to cuff himself but threatening him with the electric chair) and then allows the Penguin to beat him half to death before finally putting him out of his misery in person. Oh, and after Gordon puts one in him, he allows the Penguin to desecrate the corpse as he pleases... only for the bastard to be delivered to a cryogenics facility, perhaps teasing more evil to come.

edited 30th Nov '15 6:03:49 PM by ryanasaurus0077

Please use this template.

EDIT: So while I was writing my effortpost for Theo Galavan down, I've already been beaten to the punch. All and all I'm gonna say for him , but I can't help but feel I wasted my time writing.

edited 30th Nov '15 6:43:18 PM by Beast

"Smacks face"

OK, could we please remember the two-week rule? That applies for television shows as well, and just from the quick glimpse I got of the two "effort posts" while trying to skim past them, I've successfully been royally and truly spoiled.

No spoiler tags, no nothing. I kinda thought we had adapted to the new rules well, but apparently not.

Right. First, the death certificate.

Official TV Tropes Death Certificate for Complete Monster Candidates

This is to certify that Theodore Galavan, birth date unknown, died at approximately 8:56 PM on November 30, 2015. Cause of death: gunshot wound to the head, inflicted by Detective James W. Gordon, and impalement through the mouth with an umbrella by Oswald Chesterfield Kapelput, alias The Penguin, for good measure.

Who is he?

The Big Bad of the first half of Season 2 of Gotham, who intends to take over Wayne Enterprises and murder Bruce Wayne in some sort of ritual.

What has he done?

We begin with his first appearance, in which he gives Zaardon a potion that gives him super strength, so that he can use him as a distraction to remove several maniacs (including Barbara Kean, Jerome Velaska, and Richard Sionis) from Arkham Asylum. When one of them, Richard Sionis, tries to leave, he has Tabitha murder him brutally. He then kidnaps the Mayor of Gotham, Aubrey James, telling him ominously that monsters would come to cleanse Gotham City in blood and fire, and launched an assault on the GCPD that ended with Commissioner Sarah Essen dead following an all too brief term in office. When all but Jerome and Barbara are dead, Theo turns on Jerome, ostensibly to make himself out to be a hero to the Gothamites, and cuts him to death on camera. At some point, he kidnaps the Penguin mother in order to force him to do her bidding, then he liberates Butch from Penguin's control to convince him to betray him when they retrieve Mrs. Kapelput. After his sister kills the poor old woman, he tries to have his men kill the Penguin himself out of pure cowardice. In addition, he's a master manipulator, wrapping his own niece, Silver St. Cloud, tight around his finger. As for his plot to take over Wayne Enterprises, he has some arsonists burn down Wayne-owned buildings and took out the eye of a Wayne Enterprises executive. When arrested for the aforementioned kidnapping and torture of Mayor James, he spites Bruce Wayne by destroying the envelope which was claimed to have the name of the killer of his parents (which turned out, according to Silver, to be an M. Malone). Following his arrest, he threatens Tabitha for putting a hit on Jim Gordon over a personal connection to Barbara, who had been left comatose in their previous encounter, and during his arraignment, he forces Mayor James to commit perjury, securing his release. Following that, he has a couple of cops on his payroll bring Gordon to him and tries to have him killed on the spot. Finally, he threatens Silver into getting back into Bruce's good graces, and she does so, all right. When things go south, he tries to murder Silver and escape with Tabitha, but they instead leave him at the mercy of Gordon and Penguin, who take him to the docks and torture him to death, ultimately desecrating his corpse after Gordon puts one through him.

Any redeeming qualities?

Debatable. He claims to be doing what he does to avenge the honor of an ancestor of his who had allegedly raped a Wayne girl, but whether or not he was guilty of that is left up in the air, leaving its status as a mitigating factor doubtful at best. However, it is established that he doesn't give a damn about even his own family and sees both Tabitha and Silver (especially Silver), among other associates of his, as mere stepping stones to power.

Final Verdict

edited 30th Nov '15 6:39:52 PM by ryanasaurus0077

We've only used the 2-week rule for tv shows that release all their episodes on one day, like any Netflix release.

edited 30th Nov '15 6:40:49 PM by VeryMelon

OK, cool. But they could have at least spoiler tagged the events of an episode that premiered not 1 hour ago.

EDIT: I've just seen that the second post made by ryanasaurus has been spoiler tagged and that Beast deleted his post. Thank you both.

Sorry I kind of lost it, butthere was a particular plot point that was spoiled for me I would have highly enjoyed being surprised while seeing it for myself.

edited 30th Nov '15 6:43:46 PM by Ravok

THAT they could have done.

I just think literally 40 minutes after the episode ends is a bit too soon without a warning's all.

Since there's already two posts of him out there, I thought I'd just to shed a little more light on Galavan from my effortpost, just so that my time wouldn't have been wasted.

Theo begins his conquest of Gotham by intoxicating Zaardon, one of his underlings, with a knock out gas. After Zaardon is imprisoned in Arkham Asylum, Galavan uses him to break six inmates out of the Asylum, including Jerome Valeska, Barbara Kean and Richard Sionis. He offers each of them to partake in his plans. When Sionis denies him, he has him killed by his sister Tabitha. Theo uses the inmates to form the the Maniax gang, having Jerome as the de-facto leader and Galavan as the hidden true leader. Theo has the Maniax go about Gotham, under Jerome's leadership. During the hospital charity that Theo masterminds Jerome's attack, Theo kills Jerome to make himself look like a hero.

Theo begins his mayoral campaign and blackmails Oswald Cobblepott into killing his political rivals, by kidnapping Oswald's mother. He has this urban renewal plan involving destroying thousands of homes to build skyscrapers, which Galavan wants Oswald to do for him. It is also discovered Theo is the descendant of the Dumas family, who were erased from history and fell out of power in Gotham centuries ago because of the Wayne family, because one of the Wayne daughters claimed that a Dumas forced himself on her. Theo's true goal for his ambitions amount to killing thirteen year old Bruce Wayne and destroying the Wayne legacy as revenge. When Oswald finds out where they are keeping his mother, and goes to rescue her, Theo has Oswald's mother killed.

Theo tries to get close to Bruce, using his niece Silver St. Cloud. Before he plans to kill Bruce, Theo wants Bruce to sign over Wayne Enterprises to him, offering him the name of the man who killed his parents. Before Bruce can sign them over, the GCPD find Mayor James, who says Theo kidnapped him. When they make the arrest, Theo throws the papers with the killers name into the fire just to spite Bruce. By the time Bruce is onto Silver, the Order of Saint Dumas arrives in Gotham; the Order of Saint Dumas is a religious order founded by Theo's ancestor to protect his family and put them back in power.

At the trial, it turns out that Theo has tortured the Mayor so badly, that he successfully intimated him into taking back his testimony. Theo is found not guilty and stealth taunts Gordon. Theo has Gordan kidnapped, revealing his plans to him. He orders Gordon to be killed and leaves his henchmen to do the job before he kidnaps Bruce. He prepares to sacrificially kill Bruce, but not before having Silver try to seduce him again, just to hurt him more, threatening to kill her if she doesn't. Unknown to Theo, a team up between Oswald, his gang, Alfred, Selina, Bullock and Gordon are onto to him and on their way to his pent house. As Theo and his men prepare to kill Bruce, Gordan, Oswald and their team pull a Big Damn Heroes, and a fight ensues. Theo plans on making an escape via parachuting from the top floor, with his sister Tabitha, telling Silver he plans to throw her under the bus.

As for redeeming qualities or a Freudian Excuse he has none. Like Baron Vordenberg, Theo Galavan his angry that his ancestors fell out of power and where shamed, and is motivated by revenge to restore their honour, not caring who gets killed in the process and ultimately singling down his vendetta to one person. He clearly doesn't love his sister (although she implies there's some insect going on between them), and it's a basic Big Bad and The Dragon relationship, and he openly threatens to kill his sister to her face. He is also implies that he's willing to kill his niece, telling her that there's other girls of Dumas blood out there and that she's pretty much expendable. To further prove its a matter of pride, Theo's Berserk Button is pressed when Oswald tells him to his face that he comes from a family of cowards.

As for heinousness, well this is Gotham city, and this show already has a CM in Jerome, but there's not much to worry about seeing as Theo and Jerome share some of the same blood on each others hands; Jerome was the acting head of the Maniax, and is personally responsible for the chaos they commit, Theo is the one who formed the Maniax, and placed Jerome as the leader and set them loose on Gotham on his behalf, before killing Jerome once he outlived his usefulness. Theo also has some of his own heinousness under his own belt, stacking up to both Oswald and Jerome's.

Also before anyone asks, yes Jerome still counts as a CM, while he's merely Theo's puppet, he willfully and gleefully acts at the Maniax leader on Jerome's behalf, thinking he's Dragon-in-Chief, but the Joker he is not.

edited 30th Nov '15 6:46:26 PM by Beast