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Okay, I've got about 4 for Alex Wesker, not counting my own. I'd like some more votes, if I could.

Here's my write-up:

• Resident Evil: Revelations 2: Alex Wesker, AKA 'The Overseer', is responsible for turning the already poverty-stricken Suskestvovanie Island into hell on earth. After siphoning off resources from her foster father, Oswald E. Spencer, and abandoning him to his death, she began using the inhabitants of the island for her fear experiments, promising them employment, and later convincing the townspeople that she was injecting them with a vaccine. In truth, she was developing the t-Phobos virus, which reacts to the stress level of its host, mutating men and painfully killing women who are infected should their level of fear reach a certain point. When she had experimented on, mutated and/or killed virtually every man, woman and child on the island, she had her men assault the human rights organization TerraSave's headquarters, kidnapping several people to infect, as well as Natalia, a little girl. Having contracted a deadly disease, she planned to use Natalia as a host for a digitized version of her mind. After failing to commit suicide successfully when cornered, she reappeared as a mutated version of herself, retaining her nature and intellect, but hell-bent on killing Natalia, even attempting to strangle the girl with her bare hands at one point. Though she worked on a smaller scale, Alex proved herself to be every bit the monster her foster brother was.

Edit: I cut it down a little.

edited 29th May '15 12:36:21 PM by Camberf

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Isn't 300 words generally considered the cut-off for a wall of text? This is 268 words.

edited 26th May '15 7:56:39 PM by Camberf

On the Alex Wesker front I'd put a down to insufficient heinousness compared to her big brother and the series as a whole. She unleashes a zombie plague on an island, which is the third island and like, 20th in the series (I swear I counted once on this thread). Taunting the player is more to generate fear to see if they can resist the virus, the helicopter crash is so standard villainy I wouldn't bother putting it in an example, and double crossing the mole has happened about five different times throughout the series.

Lightysnake mention that Loki was the best candidate for being a complete monster in high school dxd. I haven't gone far enough in the series to see what he I would like to see why Loki would be considered for such a trope.

Alex Wesker seems pretty heinous enough to count. I would give her a

edited 26th May '15 8:08:18 PM by G-Editor

Lokis ultimate goal is to kill everything that lives via Ragnarok. Just for a start.

Kokabiel and the man who was in charge of Kiba's training may be consideratons.

edited 26th May '15 8:17:20 PM by Lightysnake

I'm going to say "no" on Alex Wesker. She doesn't top Albert Wesker, she doesn't top Alexia Ashford, and she doesn't top the various other big bads of the series. She might have potential if she comes back, but for now, no.

Did a woman named some variation of "Alex" kill one of the writers' dog or something?

No to Alex.

I'm remaining neutral on Alex.

I've got a few questions pertaining to the judgment of this trope, regarding a candidate I'm extremely unsure on how to judge.

Firstly, would we accept candidates from "indie" games? As in, games with very low production values made by, perhaps, five people at most and may only become known if a famous Let's Player ended up promoting/playing through the game. My argument to this is that several works in the Creepypasta and Fanfiction sub-pages aren't well well-known in the slightest, yet have still had Monsters we've accepted like any other more mainstream medium. The game in question, an independent title called Life After Us: The System is short, but still has a story with a Big Bad certainly heinous enough to be considered here, assuming he's not automatically disqualified by the next question.

Secondly, I recall a discussion saying that Offstage Villainy isn't necessarily disqualified if said deeds are actually detailed at length, either by the villain itself or by a victim/witness. I can't exactly remember how it went, but the villain from Life After Us has a series of crimes only explored through the backstory, which is gradually revealed as the game goes on. The problem is that the villain's only onscreen crime has him attempting to kill the unnamed protagonist. His deeds within the backstory, however, are revealed throughout a series of notes telling the game's story. The exact nature of his crimes are quite detailed and very apparent. Whether or not this actually manages to supersede the offscreen-villainy rule is beyond me, though.

edited 26th May '15 8:37:42 PM by Scraggle

Hodor and I have been kicking around another example from the MR James short story Lost Hearts...I'll present Mr. Abney here shortly.

They could probably count; that I don't know.
So, no Raynare? What about the Lupin baddies?
And that is INFURIATING about Witcher. I KNEW it was big, so I PURPOSELY left a note there May 1 saying to come to the thread first.

I'll vouch for the Lupin baddies. We voted those up and they're the worst in a huge franchise

When you say that Alex tortures people, are we talking about Cold-Blooded Torture, or experiments so gruesome they amount to torture? (Or both.) The latter is commonplace for the series, the former not so much.

I might play with Alhazad's entry a bit more, then put it on Wild ARMs.

Hey guys it me again I believe I got a fresh possible example of a CM. Other than the Ranayre issue, this is my first time with this so you can bear with me. From Criminal Minds' 10th season, I have Alex Zorgen

Who is he? What has he done? Alex Zorgen is a recurring villain from the Tenth Season of Criminal Minds and he formed and currently heads a human trafficking ring that sells young women and girls on the internet to serial killers and other similar criminals. Prior to creating the human trafficking ring, he abducts a woman in 1993 named Donna Goldhard, forced her to be his wife, and repeatedly raped and tortured her for the past 22 years causing her to lose her mentality and will. In between those years the "couple" gave birth to a son, most likely from one of the rapes. In the first episode from the 10th season Alex along with his accomplice Donna Goldhard and their son, Kyle kidnap a woman and post her on his auction website where sell her to a serial killer. As the season progresses Alex begins stalking the season 10 heroine's niece, Meg Callahan and her friend, both of which are 14 years old, posing as an attractive high school senior in order to gain their trust. Once that was accomplished, he sends his wife and son to kidnap them. They accomplish that, but when his son makes a mistake by letting one of them get away (Meg's friend), he murders him without a trace of remorse and simply just moves on with his plan to sell the other one online to a serial killer, and one his most popular costumers. He was later arrested by the FBI, but not before selling her to the said costumer. When they demand him to tell them where they find Meg and her captor, he simply refuse to say anything and simply taunts Meg's aunt, Kate the season 10 heroine, about the things his costumer is going to do to her.

Offscreen Villainy? We don't actually see him raping and torturing his wife for 22 years, but due to the information the main characters and his wife's behavior, it is obvious that he did do it. Other than that, everything I have said here was all onscreen.

Any redeeming features or migigating features? None. He aware that he is sell women to mentally unstable serial killers, but does't care as long as he gets his money. He also kills his own son in cold blood showing no remorse what so ever. He also take enjoyment in tormenting the FBI agents on what his most recent costumer is going to do to Meg. Plus we can't forget the fact that he repeatly raped and tortured his wife for over two decades.

edited 27th May '15 1:03:25 PM by G-Editor

Speaking of Indie games, do you think the Big Bad Narrator of The Stanley Parable could qualify? He killed everyone in Stanley's office ala G La DOS and doesn't have redeeming qualities like her. He also erases and fucks with Stanley's memories among other things including planning to blow up the building with Stanley in it (he actually goes through with it and is thwarted by Stanley) and suffocate him. It said on the YMMV that he's a Jerkass Woobie but it falls flat when we realize he's behind everything and has free will to stop everything but chooses not to instead letting possibly the only Survivor on Earth be tortured for his own amusement. Sure he's hilarious, but we've qualified Laughably Evil villains before.

edited 27th May '15 1:04:37 AM by Klavice

Criminal Minds!Alex seems like a .

The narrator from the Stanley Parable is a flat no end of story. Nothing you described happens onscreen, the confusion ending shows that he's just as much of a puppet as you are, and everything else you described you only know because the narrator tells you so. The game has no fixed canon and is pure mindscrew. So many existing rules disqualify him instantly it's not funny.

Injun Joe's vote tally:

People who think he counts: Kyle Jacobs, Lightysnake, Very Melon, Beast, A New Man, Satoshi Bakura, and myself.

Ones who don't: klavice, Irene, emperors, Scraggle, Occasional Exister.

edited 27th May '15 5:14:48 AM by bobg

I'll toss another to Injun Joe. It's been a very long time since I've seen the movie or play or read the book, but from everything I recall and what's been brought up I wouldn't call him a Complete Monster.

So, to clarify:

• Raynare for now?
• All 3 Lupin baddies ? BTW, we see Count Cag's skeletons, what about Mash?

The Lupin ones were voted yes on

I said "no" on Injun Joe as well.

Yo, have we voted on Edward Lane or no?