edited 7th Nov '17 9:59:04 AM by Fighteer
- Gol and Maia: Both warped by a Psycho Serum leading up to their villainy. I vote cut.
- Praxis: Saw him cited as Well-Intentioned Extremist in the character page, albeit with an emphasis towards the latter for his iron-fisted rule. Can't see much beyond brutal tyrant who filled in at the event of the Metal Head seige, so I lean cut.
- Kor: From looking at the series' wiki, this may be the only keeper out of the four, but then again I'd have to rely on the input of those who have played the games for an opinion.
- Count Veger: Cited as Well-Intentioned Extremist, albeit wanting to kill Jak for personal reasons. I would lean towards cutting based upon this characterization.
edited 2nd Oct '12 9:01:48 AM by EarlOfSandvich
edited 2nd Oct '12 10:46:03 AM by 32_Footsteps
edited 2nd Oct '12 9:58:10 AM by Krystoff
- Lawyer Goodwill from Warner Bros. short "The Case of the Stuttering Pig. He at first presents himself gentle and kindly towards Porky Pig and his brothers. But then he reveals his true colors when he intends to kill them all in order to obtain their rich uncle's fortune. So he transforms himself with a formula into a psychotic, hideous Mr Hyde - like monster and tries to get'em all. In his monster form he evolves from a Smug Snake into a terrifying Large Ham who wants to kill all the pigs basically For the Evulz. He also frequently warns the audience in a creepy and harsh manner they can't help his victims. When he kidnaps some of Porky's bros he also sadistically explains how he intends to kill'em doing the throat-slitting gesture. Luckily he gets defeated by the guy in the third row he used to keep insulting.
- For Myron: I'm kind of on the fence on that one, as we never did see the killings attributed to the process of making Jet. On the other hand, he not only brings that up himself, he bragged about it while demonstrating a knowing disregard of human life
- For Vulpes: Yes, I did bring him up when I started posting on this thread, and discussion did allow for his entry, but although we see him in Nipton's ruin fresh from his subversive campaign, the only way of knowing of his attack at Camp Searchlight (aside from talking to Legate Lanius in the end) is from his own written orders found in the ruin. Never played a Legion playthrough yet, so I can't really add on to thoughts about his collaborative plot with the Omertas to chlorine bomb New Vegas.
- For Salt-Upon-Wounds: His actions, particularly what he had done to New Canaan, did set the scene for Honest Hearts, and he had no plan for his own people aside from joining the Legion by any, even downright sadistic and dishonorable, means. However, given the scenario of the New Canaan massacre occurring before the game, I'm not sure if that means he can stay.
edited 2nd Oct '12 11:48:33 AM by EarlOfSandvich
edited 2nd Oct '12 12:01:05 PM by DrPsyche
edited 2nd Oct '12 2:32:37 PM by OccasionalExister
edited 2nd Oct '12 2:38:25 PM by Camberf
- Moral Orel
- Clay Puppington, the father of series protagonist Orel Puppington, arguably ascends to this position in season 3, with his Jerkassery being heightened beyond regular standards. Although Clay has very sympathetic reasons for why he ended up the way he did (having been psychologically abused by his father, who blamed him for the death of his wife (and Clay's mother) and essentially forced into a married life he despised by a desperate Bloberta), Clay's actions go well beyond the realm of the sympathetic and can only be described as pure evil. In the season 2 finale "Nature", Clay takes Orel on a hunting trip. When kind-hearted Orel doesn't want to kill any animals, an increasingly intoxicated Clay takes this as a sign of weakness and berates Orel with increasing frequency. The terrible but fateful night culminates in an argument which ends with Clay accidentally shooting Orel, his own son, in the leg. Instead of getting help or even asking if he's all right, Clay actually mocks his son while he's in agonizing pain before passing out. He drank the bottle of disinfectant that Orel brought in his first aid kit. He even says to him to leave it. It doesn't end there, either — Orel is forced to protect his unconscious father from a bear that night (again, after having been shot in the leg) whom Orel is forced to shoot, despite not wanting to. Clay wakes up with no memory of the night before. The incident results in Orel having a limp for the rest of his life. What really takes the cake, however, is that it's subtly implied that Clay does remember what he did, but both refuses to take responsibility for it and seems not to hold any regret over it whatsoever. The event is so traumatic that it changes the very tone of the entire series for the remainder of its run to a much more straightforwardly dark one.
- As if that wasn't bad enough, Clay has no love in his heart for anyone. He openly despises everyone in town, never even tries to make up with his son, and his homosexual affair with Coach Stopframe is really nothing more than an attempt for him to find happiness for himself. Although Stopframe is far from a saint himself, after befriending Orel and becoming perhaps Orel's first genuine father figure, he realizes the emptiness of Clay's affection and turns him down...despite the fact that he originally tried to get close to Clay himself to begin with. Perhaps the true tragedy of the whole thing is that Clay is fully aware of how much of a monster he is, but he just doesn't care. He's that unhappy with his life. However, in an ironic sense, Clay is really the source of so much of his own misery. He's alone because he makes it that way, and it's a miserable fate Orel thankfully manages to dodge in his own adulthood.
- Bloberta Puppington herself. It was Bloberta, after all, who started Clay's alcoholism and eventually became the source of so much of both his and her own misery. A tragic trait the two share is that while they're both the sources of their own unhappiness, they could probably change things if they chose to. Instead, they retreated into a life of constant denial, using the Christian religion and conservative pretenses as a mere cover-up for their own misery. The completely selfish disregard of their children's own happiness and well-being by indulging in this behavior is really what makes both Clay and Bloberta complete monsters in their own right.
- Had the series not been canceled, the unmade episodes would have Clay and Bloberta going through Character Development and making their own redemptions in some way, or at least not be doomed to complete misery.
- Miss Censordoll, Moralton's librarian, is a hypocrite and plotter and feels no remorse for steamrolling over others to get her way. While she, like the other characters, has a decent Freudian Excuse (harsh relationship with her mother, mainly involving her reproductive organs being removed at an early age), it's nowhere near as valid as Bloberta's or Clay's. It's shown briefly in the series that she has powers similar to voodoo or witchcraft that she uses to get her way, both times influencing Clay into becoming her puppet. If the series has a Big Bad, she's it.
- It says something about Clay and Bloberta when "her mother removing her reproductive organs at an early age" is less valid an excuse for their actions.
- Complete Monster: There really isn't a more fitting trope to describe the true form of Clay when he's drunk. He may be a monster with a tragic pathos, but he is still a monster.
- Coach Stopframe is implied to be this in an early episode, intending to use Orel as a satanic sacrifice. Even Stopframe is horrified at seeing Clay as he really is, though.
edited 2nd Oct '12 9:26:17 PM by ChaoticQueen
edited 2nd Oct '12 11:29:59 PM by DrPsyche
edited 3rd Oct '12 9:22:19 AM by OccasionalExister
edited 3rd Oct '12 4:42:21 PM by DrPsyche