Okay, first, going back to @3464...
Oh, that might've been why I missed it - nearly the whole damn thing was spoilered. So that's got to go, regardless of anything else.
Martin Vanger... I think it depends on just how many of those actions are shown on-screen. That's the only thing that looks to be in question.
Gottfried Vanger... pretty much the same deal as his son. I need to know how much is on-screen.
Nils Bjurman doesn't sound nearly as bad as either Vanger. Cut.
Alexander Zalachenko... I'm inclined to cut, because he also doesn't sound as bad as the Vangers. Unless someone has an argument on why he should stay, I say cut.
Dr. Peter Telebornian, once again, is a question of whether this is shown in a flashback or not.
So I have two cuts, and three that are pending based on how much was actually shown in the course of the book or flashbacks.
@3580 Seems like a generic Big Bad
(but hey, worse than The Mad Doctor
example that's still not only on Monster.Disney
, but the trope picture as well). I think that anyone wanting to keep The Mad Doctor should want to keep Lwyer Goodwill. Of course, I vote to cut them both.
@3581 For Myron, we can cut the part about the killings related to Jet, but he still looks like he qualifies. For Vulpes, the case is closer, but I'm leaning towards keeping as-is. For Salt-Upon-Wounds, it was presented as those actions happening in-game. If they did not, then he should be cut.
@3585 I see someone is trying to get people playing the TV Tropes Drinking Game
to have a drink. For the example itself, while I would discount the stuff that happened previous to the movie, the Wikipedia page for the movie does point out that they inject bleach into the guy's throat, and they attempt to lobotomize him by drilling a hole in his head and pouring boiling water down the hole (and attempts are what counts, not the fact that they failed at the "pour boiling water" part). Plus, the fact that they're shown to keep lobotomized men captive and starving in a basement dungeon is pretty bad. Also, Lola does kill two people (her mother and a cop), and tries to kill another (the main character's girlfriend) - her father is dead at this point, so those last couple of items don't count against him.
That said, Lola Stone has a clear Electra Complex
(she sees her father as her ideal man), and he loves his daughter (although I don't see any indication that he loved her in that way
). Mind you, they apparently show this love by mutilating, lobotomizing, and killing others. I'm actually inclined to say that it's a twisted mockery of love and they should qualify.
@3590 is an excellent rundown on why all of the Moral Orel
examples should be cut. Terrible human beings one and all, but there's a huge Cycle Of Abuse thing that makes most of the characters Jerkass Woobie
qualifiers (except for the few like Orel who skip the Jerkass
and are just The Woobie
@3591: From the FAQ in the first post:
So, how do I suggest an example, either to be removed or to be added?: Just post the candidate and where they are from, along with your arguments for or against their inclusion. If few people have responded, bring it up again politely after a couple of days. We're busy folks; we sometimes miss things.
Putting a Sink Hole
for the series is not posting where they are from. If you can't be bothered to actually say the name of the series, I can't be bothered to consider your proposal. Don't forget, an argument for inclusion needs to look like it belongs on the page.