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Ok it was mentioned there is not a thread for Law Enforcement Officers (LEO for short)and other similar jobs for discussion.

This is for discussing the actual jobs, ranks, training, culture, relations to military bodies that exist, and any other variety of topics that can arise pertaining to the World of Policing.

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#4326: May 18th 2016 at 11:12:14 AM

Best I can give you is that during the Student Fees protests they didn't start the violence, that was 'protesters' who came looking for a fight (with hard hats and shields). Admittedly the police did forcibly keep everyone in Parliament Square for several hours, lock the only toilets in the square and claim to the press that they provided us with toilets (they didn't, I and a few others built toilets out of stuff we found).

edited 18th May '16 11:12:31 AM by Silasw

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#4327: May 19th 2016 at 8:49:51 PM

Japan announced that Hiroshima will see an influx of officers to make sure the VI Ps are protected for the upcoming G8 summit.

Tokyo and other big cities will have officers stationed in soft targets that subway/shinkansen stations and event venues like concerts and convetions.

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#4328: May 20th 2016 at 8:08:41 AM

If laws worked in they did in Game of Thrones. evil grin

Man, trial by combat was such an insane method.

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#4329: May 21st 2016 at 3:39:18 PM

Question: If a building's condemned, can police search it without a warrant?

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#4330: May 23rd 2016 at 5:48:49 PM

IMO, it'll depend if someone still owns the place. Maybe.


http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/05/22/national/crime-legal/female-idol-stabbed-multiple-times-by-purported-fan-at-event-in-western-tokyo-police/#.V0OkoLh97IU

The Tokyo Metropolitan Police announced the arrest of a man who had publicly stabbed Mayu Tomita.

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#4331: May 23rd 2016 at 6:11:21 PM

Of course they will but they won't bat an eye for the far more extensive amount of crime committed by their fellows.

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#4332: May 24th 2016 at 11:06:54 AM

Ok, other legal question: In the US, can you taze a fleeing suspect in the back legally?

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#4333: May 24th 2016 at 11:07:51 AM

Most definitely. It's a real common way to end a chase actually.

Oh really when?
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#4334: May 24th 2016 at 11:14:49 AM

Not surprising, I just wanted to check since I know Stop, or I Will Shoot! is illegal when dealing with lethal force.

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#4335: May 24th 2016 at 11:14:49 AM

[up][up] Depending on the fleeing suspect's alleged crime and the locality, the cops can often shoot them and not face charges.

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#4336: May 24th 2016 at 8:50:26 PM

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/videos/20160523191921618/

Mie Prefectural Police is working 24/7 for this assignment.

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#4337: May 25th 2016 at 7:18:38 AM

Firearms demonstration by the Anti-Firearms Squad.

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#4338: May 25th 2016 at 5:21:36 PM

[up]Subtitles would be helpful.

I presume the "Anti-Firearms Squad" is the unit that gets called out when somebody reports a crime and specifies "man with a gun"?

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#4339: May 25th 2016 at 6:08:56 PM

The Anti-Firearms Squad is embedded in each riot unit in the prefectural police HQ in Japan in a localized scenario where the Special Assault Team/every city or prefectural anti-crime unit won't be necessary. So yes, you're right.

The Anti-Firearms "Ranger" squad is a step up, but is in the same purpose.

Otherwise, the prefectural police HQ or the National Police Agency will step in by getting the SAT or the city/prefectural anti-crime unit into the picture.


Video:

- My Japanese is not that perfect (Someone correct me if I'm way off), but the officer speaking to the press is saying that the squad/squads involved get much training as possible to prepare for the unlikely situation when armed criminals/terrorists enter the picture in protecting the public. It may be related to the upcoming G7 summit in Mie Prefecture since the video was uploaded last year.

Although they really should improve on the quality of the OPFORs being used in those training sessions. Nothing says overkill when you confront two armed criminals/terrorists armed with a knife and a pistol/revolver and the squad sent in are armed with better SMGs/ARs with kevlar vests with pistol caliber-resistant armor plates.

It's funny when they say they're getting prepared for Mumbai-style terrorists and they use those guys for training.

edited 25th May '16 6:32:07 PM by Ominae

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#4340: May 25th 2016 at 10:50:42 PM

Considering it's from last year and they're part of the riot cops, I honestly don't think they expect to face anything out of the ordinary for Japan.

edited 25th May '16 10:50:58 PM by TerminusEst

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#4341: May 25th 2016 at 11:13:49 PM

Indeed. They don't get much more news aside from being first response units to guard nuclear power plants in case of a criminal/terrorist attacks and in anti-terror exercises. The NPA formed up the Emergency Response Team out of the AFS units due to the Paris attacks.

It's rare that they get called in for anti-crime/terrorist cases as first response only.

Much of the media profile is with the Special Assault Team and their equivalents. When they show up on TV via documentaries, the reporters were all "sugoi" over their history.

edited 25th May '16 11:28:29 PM by Ominae

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#4342: May 27th 2016 at 8:38:39 AM

NYPD's top cop is decrying the epidemic of citizens recording police actions.

It's often the “epidemic” of amateur photographers armed with cell phones — and not the aggressive actions of city cops — that escalates clashes between police and the public, the NYPD’s top cop said Wednesday.

Police Commissioner Bill Bratton was asked about the investigation into a disturbing video of a Harlem cop pointing a gun at a group of onlookers when he went on a rant about “mobs” armed with cell phones.

“There is a phenomenon in this country that we need to examine and it’s just not in New York,” Bratton said following a conference of police chiefs and law enforcement executives at the Times Square Marriott Marquis.

“This has become very serious,” he added. “I would almost describe it as an epidemic in this country.”

The Harlem cop captured on video pointing his gun at onlookers May 19 has been identified as Officer Risel Martinez. A second video shows he also punched one of the people recording him. Martinez, 26, has been stripped of his gun and badge, as the Internal Affairs Bureau investigates the clash inside an apartment building on W. 134th St. last Thursday. The cop was trying to arrest a man who interfered with a traffic stop.

Bratton said he wasn’t defending the officer’s actions, but said the video is just one part of the investigation.

“You do not have a right to resist arrest and in so many of those videos, people are resisting violently and being encouraged by the crowd,” he said.

One of the first bombshell cell phone videos to tear the Band-Aid off alleged police misconduct was Ramsey Orta’s recording of the chokehold death of Staten Island resident Eric Garner at the hands of Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo. While a Staten Island grand jury failed to indict Pantaleo — despite the damning video first seen on NY Daily News.com — the officer could face departmental charges.

Garner’s 2014 death is still the subject of a federal grand jury inquiry, officials said. Police union officials claimed Garner, 43, was resisting arrest before mouthing his last words, “I can’t breathe.”

Since then, a number of officers have been reassigned to desk duty and investigated after videos have surfaced.

In March, Lt. Luis Machado and his team were put on modified assignment after they were caught on a cell phone video roughing up an on-duty postal worker in Brooklyn.

A month earlier, Bronx Police Officer Ruben Cuesta was in hot water after a surveillance video showed him shooting and killing a pit bull trotting up to him, its tail wagging.

Yet Bratton said that more and more people are recording cops in the hopes of catching police misconduct — even if they have to stage the crisis.

“There is increasing efforts on the part of individuals — sometimes in a crowd and often times mobs — to attempt to record, intimidate and create fear and physically free a prisoner, ” Bratton said.

Still, videos of cops behaving badly are pretty rare, Bratton said.

“There’s that old TV show ‘Naked City,’ ” Bratton said. “Today there are 8 million cameras in the naked city and the city is truly naked because of these cameras. But we are averaging about one or two videos a month that are presented to us or (the Civilian Complaint Review Board) of alleged misbehavior of New York City police officers. Let’s take into account and put it in context.”

A push to equip cops with body cameras should level the playing field, Bratton said.

“(Cops) will be able to photograph what is in front of them,” Bratton said. “We will get a lot of balance that way.”

The NYPD is currently running a pilot program to test the effectiveness of body cameras.

Police watchdogs say no one viewing these arrests is inciting anyone to fight the police.

“We’re not mobs, we are just people recording these incidents,” said Steve Cruz, 46, a member of the Cop Watch Patrol, which routinely records police interactions. “They are in no danger whatsoever. Even my 13-year-old son knows that.”

Cruz said that Bratton is blaming activists like himself for bad cop behavior.

“Bratton is upset that this incident was caught on video,” Cruz said. “It’s hard to come up with an excuse and he trashes cop-watchers like myself, but everyone can see that the officer was wrong.”

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#4343: May 27th 2016 at 8:47:15 AM

[up] tl;dr — Big Brother doesn't like it when you watch him.

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#4344: May 27th 2016 at 10:48:47 AM

The mobs are out of control and should not be interfering with an officer doing his job. However, I see no problem with recording it. In defense of the "civilians with phones" epidemic, I'm going to Ironic Echo a popular sentiment typically used to defend government surveillance measures here, because I feel it's appropriate:

The only cops who need to worry about it are the ones who have something to hide.

Of course, there is a point to be made that footage that fails to capture the entire context of the scene can easily misconstrue the events. Like, if you turn your phone on as an officer is wrestling a suspect to the ground and don't happen to capture the part where he tried to pull a gun, then it just looks like police brutality instead of a reasonable level of force used to make an arrest.

But y'know how we solve that? Body cams. The body cam can capture the whole scene, where the civilian cam might not.

edited 27th May '16 10:52:29 AM by TobiasDrake

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#4345: May 27th 2016 at 10:51:18 AM

Too often those body cams seem to conveniently turn off whenever something important happens.

Oh really when?
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#4346: May 27th 2016 at 10:52:49 AM

Which is a problem and exactly the reason why civilian cams are an important backup.

All of this is happening because the people are losing their ability to trust the police. The solution is more information, not less. The people need to see that their folk-hero criminals are frequently the assholes, not the victims, of the situation. The system, meanwhile, needs to know when this is not the case, when the cop has violated his oath and is behaving like a thug with a badge, and to take appropriate action where necessary.

Good Cop-Bad Cop doesn't need to be a "He said, She said" issue anymore.

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#4347: May 27th 2016 at 12:06:05 PM

To catch-and-return a sentiment used by one of my more conservative friends: If the cops don't want to be treated like criminals, then perhaps they should stop breaking the law.

And yes, the answer is for the cops to bring their own cameras to make their own record of events. If the cameras mysteriously break, disappear, or malfunction, that is on the police department for their failure to collect evidence, not on anyone else.

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#4348: May 27th 2016 at 12:44:20 PM

Speaking of body cameras, how do officers deal with them when they go to restroom?

edited 27th May '16 12:44:29 PM by dRoy

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#4349: May 27th 2016 at 2:26:11 PM

Leave it running and ignore it, I would imagine. You never know when disaster may strike.

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#4350: May 27th 2016 at 2:35:24 PM

I imagine that's very awkward for anyone who has to actually watch that footage.

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