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Bravefrog Bravefrog from England Since: Sep, 2012
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#1876: Sep 26th 2012 at 6:07:18 AM

@Bravefrog here

I've been suspended from editing YKTTW, why (I've got a pretty good idea, I just want to be clear before I form some deference)?

edited 26th Sep '12 6:11:39 AM by Bravefrog

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#1877: Sep 26th 2012 at 6:49:12 AM

Rogue launching someone else's YKTTW because you had apparently decided, in your infinite wisdom, that your name idea was the best.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Bravefrog Bravefrog from England Since: Sep, 2012
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#1878: Sep 26th 2012 at 7:20:19 AM

I thought not editing other people's stuff was just a guideline not a rule there would be penalties for braking

Bravefrog
lu127 MOD Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#1879: Sep 26th 2012 at 7:56:44 AM

You can edit other people's YKTTWs. You don't get to decide that "X name is the best because I think it is, so I must launch it right away before some other guy gets there".

The wiki operates by consensus, not by grabbing drafts and imposing your favourite names.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
#1880: Sep 26th 2012 at 7:57:29 AM

Why's my editing been suspended?

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#1881: Sep 26th 2012 at 8:01:09 AM

Why did you add a Complete Monster entry back to YMMV.Elfen Lied that we'd decided to scrap? You participate in the thread and we put a mod note on the article.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Bravefrog Bravefrog from England Since: Sep, 2012
Bravefrog
#1882: Sep 26th 2012 at 8:21:02 AM

@lu 127

is there any where on the site where I can find an express rule that covers not being allowed to do that? because otherwise this seems a little like "your allowed to edit whatever you want.... right up until the arbitrary point where we decide your being distressful, at which point we're going to block you despite not having made it clear why or that this might happen" I mean it's your site you can do what ever you want but it doesn't really seem fair to punish people for doing things you never said you they couldn't, just because you don't like what they're doing.

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Lost in Space
#1883: Sep 26th 2012 at 8:22:08 AM

YKTTW Guidelines, and A Guide To Easy Launching Of Your YKTTW, which specifically states under "What not to do":

  • Ninja Launch. Launching other peoples' tropes (that are not Up For Grabs) without their permission. If they think they didn't finish the trope, you will anger them. If you mislaunch someone's unfinished trope, you're a cad, sir, and you're probably worse than Hitler and Scrappy-Doo!

edited 26th Sep '12 8:42:30 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Spannerjam Since: Sep, 2012
#1884: Sep 26th 2012 at 8:24:57 AM

I won't delete anymore warranted tropes in any works page. Can you please unsuspend me now?

edited 26th Sep '12 8:30:46 AM by Spannerjam

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#1885: Sep 26th 2012 at 8:42:05 AM

You're not overwhelming me with signs that you're going to be a responsible contributor, Spannerjam. Instead, you're acting like a kid who's resentful of his parents' authority over him, because he's sure that he knows better than they do.

The wiki operates by consensus. It is not your place to decide what is "warranted", at least not all by yourself. Our policy is clear: if a trope occurs in a work, we list it.

If you think that an article is too cluttered, then do the work to split it out. Don't slash and burn and leave everyone else to fix it. You will agree to this or you will not get to edit again.

Edit: Oh, by the way, what's with this? We don't host articles for sites that promote piracy, as it's illegal.

edited 26th Sep '12 9:18:37 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Bravefrog Bravefrog from England Since: Sep, 2012
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#1886: Sep 26th 2012 at 8:48:12 AM

@Fighteer

I those are just Guidelines (right?)

Bravefrog
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Lost in Space
#1887: Sep 26th 2012 at 8:51:49 AM

@Bravefrog: I'm not even sure how to respond to that. Just because we call it a guideline doesn't mean you can ignore it whenever you don't like it. If a YKTTW is not Up For Grabs or abandoned, you do not take it over and launch without asking the author. Would it make you feel better to call it a rule? Because we can juggle words all day.

Edit: If you are coming here to Rules Lawyer us, you might as well give up. That's one of the surest ways to a permanent ban.

edited 26th Sep '12 8:57:22 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Bravefrog Bravefrog from England Since: Sep, 2012
Bravefrog
#1888: Sep 26th 2012 at 9:31:27 AM

sorry, but given my understanding of the word "guideline" (and so far as I can discern the meaning your site is using) it is your prerogative to ignore it if you so choose, and I want you to call them "rules" because that's how you're treating them

"If you are coming here to Rules Lawyer us, you might as well give up. That's one of the surest ways to a permanent ban" like I said so far as I could discern you are using the word "guideline" to mean what it means. also you know in real life it's the prosecutions problem not the defendant if the letter of the law doesn't match up with the spirit

either way I assume you ban people who attempt to "Rules Lawyer" you because they cause problems down the line (rather then just because you find them annoying in which case i'm f***ed by this point) because if so I want to make clear that I'm perfectly willing to never do what I did again, I'm only arguing because I think this is unfair

Bravefrog
lu127 MOD Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#1889: Sep 26th 2012 at 9:35:58 AM

You're missing the point. The wiki operates by consensus.. By taking over and launching a YKTTW where people are discussing the name based on your own preferences you prove that you do not intend to work in collaboration, but arbitrarily.

You don't get suspended only because you broke rules. You get suspended because you've done harm to the wiki. Launching a YKTTW with a bad name is harmful to the wiki, in case the fact that launching it is against the rules isn't good enough for you.

Furthermore, your posts are loaded with errors in the English language. I see no reason to lift the bans.

edited 26th Sep '12 9:37:41 AM by lu127

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Bravefrog Bravefrog from England Since: Sep, 2012
Bravefrog
#1890: Sep 26th 2012 at 10:05:11 AM

"You're missing the point. The wiki operates by consensus.. By taking over and launching a YKTTW where people are discussing the name based on your own preferences you prove that you do not intend to work in collaboration, but arbitrarily" I think your missing my point. I'm perfectly willing to admit what I did was bit dickish and not in-keeping with the spirit of the site. What i'm annoyed about is that I don't think it's fair of you to punish people for things you never told them they could not do

"You don't get suspended only because you broke rules. You get suspended because you've done harm to the wiki. Launching a YKTTW with a bad name is harmful to the wiki, in case the fact that launching it is against the rules isn't good enough for you" all I can say to that is that it shouldn't work that way, what is and is not harmful to the Wiki is up to interpretation, whether or not a clear rule has been broken is not.

"launching it is against the rules" sigh....

"Furthermore, your posts are loaded with errors in the English language. I see no reason to lift the bans" I didn't think I had to give you a reason, I thought I just had to demonstrate that there was no reason not to lift it because the default is being allowed to edit YKTTW. since I've agreed not to do what I did again and my spelling grammar errors (which I try to get rid of before launch) have never been a reason to ban me before I would have thought I've done that

edited 26th Sep '12 10:05:46 AM by Bravefrog

Bravefrog
Madrugada MOD Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#1891: Sep 26th 2012 at 10:56:28 AM

Ok, bravefrog, let me take a stab at this:

We have a few RULES: Don't Be A Dick; Be Civil; No Porn; No Personal Attacks; No Edit Wars; and The Wiki Is Not Your Own Personal Playground are among them.

You are entirely technically correct that "Don't launch someone else's YKTTW while it's still under discussion" is not one of those explicit RULES.

However, it is also covered under "Don't Be A Dick."

We have quite a few guidelines of various sorts. They're covered on various Administriva pages. They include those listed on the pages Fighteer linked you to earlier. They're statements of stuff that we have found greatly increase the utility and coherence of the wiki. Ignoring those Guidelines is a very effective way to indicate that you consider the wiki Your Own Personal Playground, thereby breaking another of the RULES.

Arguing that "it's only a Guideline, not a RULE, and therefore I can ignore it whenever I feel like it, and you have no right to take action" also violates "Don't Be A Dick."

So, what it boils down to is, you acted like a dick, and when you were called on it, you acted even more like a dick, and established that you do think that The Wiki is Your Own Personal Playground.

As to your statement that 'In Real Life, it's the prosecution's problem if the spirit and the letter don't match up', I really should not need to point out that this is not a court of law, it's a privately owned website, and we are not bound by the restrictions placed on lawyers and judges.

edited 26th Sep '12 10:58:39 AM by Madrugada

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Spannerjam Since: Sep, 2012
#1892: Sep 26th 2012 at 11:10:12 AM

To Fighteer:

You're not overwhelming me with signs that you're going to be a responsible contributor, Spannerjam. Instead, you're acting like a kid who's resentful of his parents' authority over him, because he's sure that he knows better than they do."

Well, you know what they say: Goose and gander and goslings are three sounds but one thing.

The wiki operates by consensus. It is not your place to decide what is "warranted", at least not all by yourself. Our policy is clear: if a trope occurs in a work, we list it. If you think that an article is too cluttered, then do the work to split it out. Don't slash and burn and leave everyone else to fix it. You will agree to this or you will not get to edit again."

Fair enough.

And while we talk about policies, you might want to consider to incorporate these two: Assume good faith Be Bold

edited 26th Sep '12 11:24:31 AM by Spannerjam

Madrugada MOD Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#1893: Sep 26th 2012 at 11:22:34 AM

Spammerjam, if we didn't Assume Good Faith, we'd simply ban with no appeal on everything. Are you sure you want to go down that road?

edited 26th Sep '12 11:23:48 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Bravefrog Bravefrog from England Since: Sep, 2012
Bravefrog
#1894: Sep 26th 2012 at 11:56:31 AM

@Madrugada

I think "don't be a dick" is somewhat vague but i'm willing to try and abide by it

I think you're wrong to call me dick for saying you shouldn't punish people for not taking your advice

is that enough?

Bravefrog
Madrugada MOD Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#1895: Sep 26th 2012 at 12:25:57 PM

No, it's really not enough.

You see, you're demonstrating that you don't grasp that The Wiki is a collaborative effort and that those guidelines, the ones you apparently feel you can ignore at will are there because we have found, through long and sometimes messy experience, that they make that collaborative effort work better.

Further, you've said, and I'm using your very own words here,

what is and is not harmful to the Wiki is up to interpretation, ...

Yep. And the admins and mods have the final say on whether your interpretation is correct or not. We're working, again, from what we have learned from cumulative past experience, reaching back over years.

Rogue launching of YKTT Ws is something that, more often than not, harms the wiki. It doesn't always, that's why it's not a hard and fast RULE. But it does so consistently enough that we have a guideline against it, and when someone does it, we suspend them so we can find out why they thought it was a good idea to ignore that guideline. So far, the reason you have given for ignoring it is "It's just a guideline, not a RULE. I don't have to follow it." That's not a good reason.

edited 26th Sep '12 12:26:04 PM by Madrugada

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Lost in Space
#1896: Sep 26th 2012 at 12:27:08 PM

Let me also observe that five day old accounts have no business launching YKTTW entries. Your problem is that you didn't take the time to learn the culture, but dove in and started messing with stuff. That's never a good idea.

edited 26th Sep '12 12:27:34 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Bravefrog Bravefrog from England Since: Sep, 2012
Bravefrog
#1897: Sep 26th 2012 at 12:46:38 PM

@Madrugada I thought my agreement to try and follow the "don't be a dick" rule, was an implied concession to all that, obviously I should have been more clear

@Thataway to be totally honest this isn't my first account. i'm not trying to sock puppet it's just that I've had A LOT of computer issues lately and every time I got a new computer (I've been though like three or four the past two or three months)I found I wasn't able to sign to my old accounts on the new machines

edited 26th Sep '12 12:58:32 PM by Bravefrog

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#1898: Sep 26th 2012 at 1:30:08 PM

Oh? What was your previous account?

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Bravefrog Bravefrog from England Since: Sep, 2012
Bravefrog
#1899: Sep 26th 2012 at 1:44:38 PM

I don't remember them all , I chose the names arbitrarily and so forgot them easily. I'd have to look at the YKTT Ws I edited with them to remind my self of them all

the one I used the longest was called dragonslip

Edit: that makes it sound like there where hundreds. There was only like 4, I'm just really forgetful

edited 26th Sep '12 1:49:05 PM by Bravefrog

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lu127 MOD Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#1900: Sep 26th 2012 at 1:48:40 PM

Interesting. You see, I suspended dragonslip on the 20th for making terrible YKTTW drafts full of errors. So, not only are you Rules Lawyering and made a messy launch, but you are also ban evading. Therefore, we have nothing more to say. Banned twice, meaning you don't get it. Bye.

edited 26th Sep '12 1:50:19 PM by lu127

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer

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