Edit banned/Suspended - would like to edit again.:

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This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.

For a fun site, we're pretty fussy about stuff like grammar and spelling, for example. More than you would expect, considering that we do want the funny. Everything is better with the funny.

Leave a note here indicating you want to talk the suspension over, then hang in there for a bit. A moderator will be along to talk to you about the situation.

NOTE: If you see another banned person post something that you want to comment on, don't. This thread is for discussion between banned people and Mods - no third parties invited.

While you're at it, browse What to Do If You Are Suspended.

edited 2nd Dec '13 9:48:19 PM by FastEddie

1451 Willbyr8th Aug 2012 11:51:26 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
[up] It's all suspensions.
1452 lu1278th Aug 2012 11:52:59 AM from 空蝉丸
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Kexruct, if you remember messing up the page, then why did you not fix it afterwards? It took a couple of weeks for anyone to realise the page was messed up. If you know you made a big mistake, then we expect that you at least try to fix it.

There is no thread for forum bans, because general forum bans prevent you from posting anywhere. Subforum specific bans and PM bans, however, are appealed here.


edited 8th Aug '12 11:53:49 AM by lu127

1453 BestOf8th Aug 2012 12:02:34 PM from Finland , Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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Ace, you know why you were OTC banned. Can you promise me that you won't do stuff like that again if we let you back?
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
1454 Kexruct8th Aug 2012 12:52:00 PM from Vvardenfell
That's the thing; I didn't see that I made the mistake. I don't know how I could've, with such a huge deletion, but still. I think there might've been a mistake.
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@Fighteer: No, but how long will a suspsension last?

edited 8th Aug '12 2:34:10 PM by Machini

In the previous post, I have established that I am aware of my mistake: I debated and strayed from the format of the Character page of Star Wars, when I really should have talked about it on the relevant forums and the Discussion thread. Please may I have my ability to edit back again
1457 AceofSpades8th Aug 2012 07:15:07 PM , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
@ Best of: Yes.
1458 BestOf8th Aug 2012 07:33:25 PM from Finland , Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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Ace, most of the thumps on your record are for off-topicness. When you're in OTC, you need to keep on-topic more than you would in YF.

Anyway, you don't have a huge collection of thumps or anything like that, and your offence wasn't really atrocious, so I'm lifting your ban. Just try to make sure that you don't launch or participate in derails when you're in OTC.
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
Hi. May I ask why my editing privileges were suspended and what should I do to avoid it in the future? Thanks!!!
1460 ccoa9th Aug 2012 06:09:30 AM from the Sleeping Giant
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@chuckster 312 - For some reason, you seem to have an obsession with changing Jerry Goldsmith to AwesomeMusic.Jerry Goldsmith and listing Jerry Goldsmith himself as a trope.

We have a page on Jerry Goldsmith. Breaking that wick to point to a vaguely related audience reaction page is vandalism, and required people to go behind you and clean up after you.

Additionally, real people are not tropes. We list creators such as musicians in the work or character description, not the trope list.

The wiki isn't your platform to gush about a musician you like, especially when it makes a mess.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
1461 lu1279th Aug 2012 06:13:29 AM from 空蝉丸
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Kexruct: We expect you to be careful with those things. Given our chat, I take it you'll be more careful in the future. Suspension lifted.
@ ccoa: But I've seen a lot of topers doing the exact same thing and so I thought well if they're doing it, I guess that's fine, right? But if it's not what you guys wanted then that's okay, I'm not going to do that ever again, swear. So can I have my editing privileges back pretty please?
1463 Deadbeatloser229th Aug 2012 04:48:37 PM from Disappeared by Space Magic , Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
"Everyone else was doing it" is not a valid excuse. Simply because other people got away with it and you got caught does not mean you should get off lightly.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Hi. I have a PM Ban. And it's been that way for... at least a couple of months. How can I get my PM system turned on again. Someone sent me a message several weeks ago, and I'd really like to see it.
1465 RagnaTheSaviour10th Aug 2012 01:25:17 AM from The Throne of Heroes , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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Could I have my Edit suspension lifted please? If I did something in the past, I apologize. I'd really like to work on some pages of mine. Please get back to me as soon as possible.
1466 BestOf10th Aug 2012 01:36:14 AM from Finland , Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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This is your second ban. I don't think we're going to lift it.

Looking back on your history, your first ban was lifted on a promise to behave and not to participate in flame wars again. Your current ban is because you vandalised another troper's page.

edited 10th Aug '12 11:10:05 AM by BestOf

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
1467 lu12710th Aug 2012 09:31:33 AM from 空蝉丸
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Xzenu, we're looking into your case.

Ragna, care to explain what the hell went on with your page and Chaotic Handle? You vandalised the latter.

edited 10th Aug '12 9:32:10 AM by lu127

1468 Fighteer10th Aug 2012 10:08:34 AM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
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@Xzenu: Let me give a summary of the problems we're having and maybe we can work something out.

You've got a tendency to focus on racial and sexual stereotypes and get very preachy about them. It's less like you're writing for a wiki and more like you're writing for a social studies essay.

It's not any one thing, but a continuing trend that we're noticing here and have been getting complaints about. It's like you want to use the wiki to talk about stuff that bugs you, which is really not the reason we have it.

We had a conversation about this a while back, in June, and you agreed to stop YKTTW'ing tropes about social phenomena. However, the message doesn't seem to be sinking in, as evidenced by your work on Asian Hooker Stereotype.

In summary, I think you'd do great writing articles for Analysis, but not for the main wiki. You are too fixated on how tropes apply to Real Life as opposed to how they apply in fiction.

I'm not sure where we go from here, though. This is not the first time we've had to have this discussion, and I'm not sure how we can communicate our problem any more effectively.
1469 jakyoku10th Aug 2012 04:13:01 PM from Ill'a nois(e)
The Wicked One
I'm not entirely sure what I did. If someone could point it out to me it'd be much appreciated. Of course I'd like to be able to edit again as well.
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1470 Fighteer10th Aug 2012 04:14:19 PM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
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I quote, "Problems with Example Indentation, Natter, and First Person."

In short, you aren't following our editing style and it's messing up the articles. Please read the links above and describe, in your own words, what they say.

edited 10th Aug '12 4:14:44 PM by Fighteer

1471 jakyoku10th Aug 2012 04:24:45 PM from Ill'a nois(e)
The Wicked One

Example Indentation was about how many asterisks to use [Name gets *, additional note gets **, and an additional additional note gets *** but that's probably superfluous]. First person was "Don't refer to yourself." Natter is arguing for the sake of arguing and I shouldn't be doing that.

Anything else?
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1472 Fighteer10th Aug 2012 04:40:25 PM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Example indentation: if there's more than one example on a given trope, all need to be at the same indentation level. Never use third level bullets unless you're making sublists. If there is already a single example, then you need to indent it, then add your own. Also, examples do not refer to each other. Each stands on its own.

First person: Articles are not about you, they are about the work/trope. "I" and "This Troper" have no place here.

Natter: We're here to write trope examples as facts, not talk about them. We have forums and Discussion pages if you want to do that. This Is A Wiki, not a chatroom. If you disagree with an example, you are permitted to edit it to correct whatever is wrong. If the example itself is invalid, then remove it with an edit reason. Do not add Justifying Edits. Tropes Are Not Bad and there is no need to justify them. Justified Trope is a very specific case.

Got it?

edited 10th Aug '12 4:40:56 PM by Fighteer

Thanks for replying.

I can see how I have been coming across as too "preachy" sometimes. And I do know that some of the topics that interest me are very sensitive to some people.

When starting a new trope page, there are really three things to consider... 1. Is it a valid trope? 2. Is it worthwhile? (As in, would anyone consider it interesting or fun or both?) 3. And is it presented in a way that is good to read? I have sometimes strayed into areas that are too technical and long-winded for most readers. Not making it as fun as it could be, and getting into too much detail.

I haven't started or joined any new projects since our talk in June. At all. The whole mess with prejudice against Asian women was already ongoing, since a long time. I did not start that mess, it was a total mess before I got here. However, my emotional involvement in TV Tropes was counterproductive for my efforts to help solving it. On this one issue, I have been far more "preachy" and irritable than is normal for my participation in TV Tropes. Sorry about that.

I considered the mess to be embarrassing to TV Tropes, and since I identified as being one of the tropes I also felt embarrassed personally. This was also a potential real life problem for me: I have relatives and friends who are in white/Asian mixed relationships. If they had read the old version of "me love yo long time", it is likely that they had perceived it as "People Sit on Chairs And That's Terrible" with strong racist and misogynistic overtones. Just like I and many other tropes did.

Debating against a troper who simply kept repeating over and over and over that we should return to having a racist/sexist slur as trope title didn't really improve my mindset... but I do realize that it's my own responsibility to not let him trigger me.

Lets compare to the whole thing with renaming the rape tropes. I wasn't really involved in that, but I do approve. And I consider it to be the same kind of problem: There shouldn't be any room for people to get the impression that TV Tropes believe that "rape is okay" and so on. Just like we shouldn't risk coming across as promoting prejudice and bigotry. Writing about it is okay, but we should be careful with how we frame it. Of course, such carefulness should be done without overcompensating.

So. It's a misunderstanding when you get the idea that I'm using TV Tropes to talk about things that bug me: It hasn't been about things that bug me in general as much as it has been about things that bug me on TV Tropes. This has probably spilled over into mistaking me for being bugged when I'm not.

@Fighteer: I did one big mistake in our first talk about that WKTTW thread in June. When you said that it "sounded like complaining", you probably meant that you thought I was complaining about something in real life. That I had a thing against royal families, or whatever. But I really had no idea about that, since it was so far from my actual mindset. And I didn't yet know that you had just received a very angry lesser about what an evil person I am. (I know that now, because of a gloating mail the guy sent me after my second post here about being banned.)

Well, I did understand that with "complaining" you meant "complaining". It's just that I at first believed that you merely meant that the trope could be misused in that way. I didn't get that you somehow had gotten the idea that such misuse would have been my intention. Thus I didn't understand why you used such an unpleasant tone of voice with me at the time, and my first reply might have come across as somewhat sarcastic. If so, sorry about that.
1474 jakyoku10th Aug 2012 05:45:32 PM from Ill'a nois(e)
The Wicked One
Yes, I understand.
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Okay, I'll need to know something regarding my current blocked status:

Exactly what did I do that resulted in me being blocked?

The only thing I did today that might have been wrong was the Harsher in Hindsight on the Dragonball YMMV page, and I doubt that's what got me blocked.

Please tell me what it is and I'll promise I'll make absolute certain I don't do it again.

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