This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
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- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
Lost in Space
Well, you've learned nothing from your suspension, apparently. Quoting from the Ask The Tropers post about you:
- Deleting YMMV because he disagrees, in the process breaking example indentation.
- A few lateral edits but also randomly adding in June Foray (the character's voice actress) like it's a trope without any other context.
- Some backhanded character bashing and deleting a Funny Moment.
So... you don't get to delete subjective examples because you personally disagree with them. When you do delete things, fix indentation; don't leave it incorrect. And actors are not tropes. Given that we cannot count on you to learn or comply with our rules, your editing ban is now permanent.
edited 25th Oct '16 5:33:49 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Hold on just a minute.
- First of all, I looked at the edits you called "character bashing" and I don't see any examples I made involving anything of the sort. However, I will try not to let my personal opinions of characters get in the way.
- I deleted a funny moment because it was actually two funny moments listed as one, so it felt like a bloated example. I'll remember in the future to move one to a different place. I didn't think deleting one would do much harm, but now I know and won't delete any more examples.
- I added "June Foray" as a trope because a few years back, I had seen "Joss Stone" added as a trope on the "Eragon" page (for the character of Angela). It's gone now, so I understand that adding actors as tropes is wrong promise to refrain from doing so.
- My Courage/YMMV edit simply stemmed from the fact that listing Courage as Ugly Cute seemed opinionated, and my own opinionated edit of listing him as a Ridiculously Cute Critter was one of the things that got me in trouble in the first place. I didn't mean to break any example identations, and promise to be careful with that in the future.
In addition, I've tried to be as grammatically correct as I can, since spelling errors were said to be a problem during my initial suspension.
edited 25th Oct '16 8:29:39 PM by OffTheDeepEnd
Apologies. I just took out the Drumpfinator (thanks John Oliver) on my Chrome. I promise to not piss anyone off with any plugins of the sort.
How sweet it is
Since you disabled the plugin, you should be good to go. I'll release your suspension.
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~Ookamikun: You keep getting notifications about violations of Example Indentation in Trope Lists and Zero-Context Example. Please read them.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
~OffTheDeepEnd, while a lot of discussion went into your grammar/spelling issues, this was not the only thing you were banned for. Here, a mod explained in detail how you also:
- Removed explanations
- Added personal bias
- Don't provide any enough context
- Violated example indentation rules
Here, you said that you recognized how removing explanations was bad. Here, you said that you would "try not to include any more Meaningless Statements, personal statements or spelling error. And I'll include the necessary context needed, and example indentations." It was only at that point the focus moved to your spelling/grammar.
Even going back to your first ban back in 2015, that was about edit warring, which you proceeded to do again this time around on YMMV.Courage The Cowardly Dog.
Fixing your grammar and spelling was not the sole issue. You're still displaying problematic behavior that got you banned the first and second times around, and hence it seems that we cannot count on you to abide by the rules.
My apologies. I didn't think the edits I made were problematic in the ways my earlier ones were (they weren't as biased, I felt) but now understand that so much as a trace of my personal opinion showing, or removing something that seems unnecessary, is wrong.
This is going to be so much fun.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Indentation I get but sometimes I follow them yet ended up being flagged for it, which confuses me. As for Zero Context, I thought it was fine if you give description but the one being described is in the link itself.
edited 27th Oct '16 7:11:38 AM by Ookamikun
Death is a companion. We should cherish Death as we cherish Life.
Lost in Space
Well, if you think you're doing it right, but people keep telling you you aren't, it's a sign of something, don't you think?
Let's take this recent entry on Characters.Pokemon Generation VII Families:
- Stealth Pun: It is easy to see why the line has Soundproof ability (their scales being able to produce sounds and thus could buffer them). But the Bulleproof ability? The line is a Bulletproof Monk.
- They say that Kommo-o exist to fight "the darkness", said to be evil looming over Alola. It seems that's why they developed the Fighting type, which is super effective against it.
You added the second line, which is a second-bullet beneath a single-bulleted entry. This is wrong. All examples in a list must be at the same level of indentation. If you are adding a second example beneath an existing single bullet, move the first one down to a double-bullet as well. This is the only right way to do it.
- Trope
- Example
- Example
Very rarely:
- Trope
- Example
- Example
- Sublist header
- Example
- Example
Separately, it's also unclear what about that example is supposed to be a Stealth Pun.
As for context, all examples must describe the use of the trope such that a person familiar with neither the work nor the trope can understand what it means. Using an external link (or a link to another wiki article, or a reference to another example in the same article) as the context is unacceptable.
Related, you may never stick two tropes together to form one example ( * Trope A/Trope B: stuff). Each trope must be a distinct example, with its own context. If you cannot distinguish them enough to write separate text, then one is probably shoehorned and should be dropped.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
This is going to be so much fun.
Yeah that's what I mean, I saw examples before following that so I thought it was fine.
As for the stealth pun for that example, there really isn't much to give since it is a movie title.
edited 27th Oct '16 7:27:54 AM by Ookamikun
Death is a companion. We should cherish Death as we cherish Life.
I understand I definitely need to be more delicate now before removing anything, or adding examples that have anything resembling a personal opinion. Oh, and adding context to things I do add, of course.
This is going to be so much fun.
For reference, I was following that indentation rule prior, as with my Memetic Mutation edit on Kamen Rider Blade. It was when I saw examples doing otherwise was when I thought it was allowed.
Death is a companion. We should cherish Death as we cherish Life.
~OffTheDeepEnd, after consulting with other mods we've decided that you should stay suspended. It seems like you need a break. You are still able to read the wiki and participate in the forums.
edited 28th Oct '16 12:50:13 PM by nombretomado
Hello, I'm kinda wondering why I can't edit at the moment. I've not really edited the site in something like months (a year, maybe?) so it is rather perplexing that I'd be banned. To my knowledge, I haven't done anything in the past to warrant action against me, so I really have no clue about this.
And if there exists a record of why this all is, please let me know. If it's a simple matter of IP reuse, that's fine, but if someone used my account then I need to change a LOT of passwords, imediately.
As well, for some reason, I can't access my PM box or edit my posts, forcing me now to actually post this fact in the thread.
Lost in Space
Your account information matches that of a serial ban evader, having been created on the same IP, the same day as the most recent ban. I thought the message would have gotten across, but apparently not.
I understand that it seems like I need a break, but that's what I've basically been having. I hardly got to make any edits before being resuspended, and I know exactly what to avoid doing.
Letting you look at the wiki and continue to participate in the forums is the lenient outcome, when you've made promises to be a better editor before, and did not succeed in keeping those promises. You are not contributing to the wiki in a positive way. People have to clean up after you and consistently send you notifiers. Because of that you are banned indefinitely.
Here's the thing, though. When I click the edit button, it says, "Your editing privileges have been suspended. Don't worry, this is not a punishment." If it's not a punishment, why can't it be lifted now? I've already promised to be a better editor.
Also, I did not know I was only going to be allowed to make 4 edits before being resuspended. If I had known that I would have tried to do better to prove I am a good editor.
edited 28th Oct '16 5:35:13 PM by OffTheDeepEnd
So you didn't try to prove you were a better editor immediately, instead deciding the first four were acceptable to continue doing the exact behavior that netted you a suspension before? Interesting philosophy.
No, in fact, I didn't feel the edits I made were anywhere near harsh enough to result in any sort of offense (especially any that would immediately get me resuspended). I didn't feel they were particularly biased, and I had mainly been asked to improve my English.
edited 28th Oct '16 5:48:55 PM by OffTheDeepEnd
Lost in Space
And yet, they were of such a nature. You see the problem we're having here?
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I do, but I know perfectly well now what to avoid. I'm not going to have the same issues I just did. No personal opinions, making sure to use proper grammar, making sure there is context, no shortening things, no adding meaningless statements, no deleting indentations, and no deleting anything as long as it's valid. That's all I have to make sure to do and now that I've put all my focus onto it, I can definitely remember to do it all.
edited 28th Oct '16 8:38:34 PM by OffTheDeepEnd
Got an edit ban for grammar problems and ZCE. Already discussed it with The Nerf Guy (who complained about me on ATT) and Berrenta (who did the suspension), everything seems OK for them. I feel really bad for frustrating people enough to get this kind of reprimand, specially as I've been on this site for 9 years. I'm sorry for everything, what do I need to get back to business?
edited 29th Oct '16 2:19:05 PM by igordebraga
I was JUST unsuspended. Care to explain why I'm suddenly back here after a mere two days and editing a mere 3 pages?
edited 25th Oct '16 5:15:31 PM by OffTheDeepEnd