This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
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- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
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- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
You have a ban from March 2012 for "blatantly ignoring a moderator comment on Revenge Of The Sith about Fridge Logic"
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Oh, you lifted the ban? Much appreciation, but was it only for a day? I can't seem to do anything still :(
~doobylovah: Actually, I was waiting for input from fellow staff. Given the lack of such, I'll reinstate you. Remember to not be rude or edit warring, please.
~Dmeagher101: Also, it seems to me like you ban evaded as dmeagher13.
~Elkhound: I've lifted your suspension. Remember the Text-Formatting Rules.
@Retro7: Second method. Your addition was still nattery, regardless.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Retro
If you say so on the natter account. I'll try to watch it in the future along the indention. May I have my privileges back please?
It all good, just try to keep it that way. Neh?
Hello ~Tropers/Fighteer - thank you for explaining the issues with the capitalisation. Thanks also for the note on only submitting complete work. Given the opportunity, I would be very pleased to address these issues and correct the issues with the edits I have made previously.
The Struggler
Uh, how do I make amends when I can't post outside of this thread?
You gotta start somewhere.
Lost in Space
~Drummk: Very good. I'll release your suspension.
~Retro7: As this is your third wiki suspension for various sorts of misbehavior, I'm afraid that you've exhausted our patience. One would think that you'd have taken at least a little bit of time to attempt to understand our editing policies in the time since your prior visits to this thread.
~HeliosKAISER: I'll credit this to a genuine mistake rather than malicious intent and release your suspension.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Retro
Really?! I'm sorry I'm not trying to be rude but you're acting like I'm doing it deliberately. This isn't even frequent, last time this happened was last year and I think that was just for a misunderstanding that was cleared up.
I've been following the rules as requested and don't even cause trouble for anyone. Like I said I can't get to every warning when I'm not even on most of the time. Not like I ignore them either and even tried to fix it. Of the frequent warnings I got looking at the inbox, crosswicking and indexing were two of them. And I know about those, but I still have to look where to fit the trope or work pages associated with them. Heck while I'm doing it, I suddenly get messages what I already know. You gotta give me time to do so, guys.
The indention thing only came up once in a YMMV. I tried to fix it the second time after I got the warning. But it apparently wasn't noticed. I'm sorry if I got confused on that but I did ask about it in the last post and now know what to do. And if you want even more proof that I followed that example, here's a trope page I made recently and this was AFTER that first warning on said YMMV page ( https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/REPIsMagic ). And no, I don't frequent natter either, that last time wasn't even intentional. What's the point of banning me over something that I got clarification on and on an insignificant changes that I've always tried to make right? I am trying to work with you guys. I know you folks are serious about grammar, proper trope usage and all. I'm not trying to sabotage the pages I do. Honest!
edited 26th May '15 3:43:05 PM by Retro7
It all good, just try to keep it that way. Neh?
El bloguero de Historia Alternativa
Hello, this is the second time I say this, but I would like to request that the suspension over my ban be lifted. It's been a couple of weeks since I requested the lift first time, and it is still on. Is there anything else I have to do?
Thank you. Milarqui
Milarqui, you didn't answer to this post.
edited 27th May '15 5:19:25 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Hello. I would like to be un-suspended. Iv'e had issues with your wiki markup. I plan on doing a better job of that in the future. Perhaps I should start using a proper computer to edit... I apologize if this comes off a little arrogant.
Lost in Space
~Rancalred: It's not just markup, it's grammar — your command of English is atrocious. It doesn't matter to us whether it's because of your input method, it's a matter of protecting the wiki.
If you can fix these issues, great. Post a few examples you'd like to have added in this forum thread and we'll take a look to make sure you're doing it right.
Lost in Space
~Retro7: When we observe a clear, repeated pattern of issues, we have to take action. I promise you we don't have cadres of tropers examining every new edit in near-realtime to make sure it follows the rules. However, you seem to edit a lot of popular articles so any issues are going to get noticed very quickly.
I poked around a bit and found more Zero Context Examples as well, such as It's All About Me on ComicBook.My Little Pony Friends Forever. Then we have natter and spoiler tagging issues on Recap.Fairy Tail Fairy Tail Revival Arc...
Obviously you aren't doing these things deliberately. If you were, we wouldn't be bothering to talk about it; you'd just be banned. It is the fact that you are not doing them deliberately that is the problem; you seem unaware of these issues even after repeated corrections. After a while, it stops being worth our time to try to fix.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Retro
"Obviously you aren't doing these things deliberately. If you were, we wouldn't be bothering to talk about it; you'd just be banned. It is the fact that you are not doing them deliberately that is the problem; you seem unaware of these issues even after repeated corrections. After a while, it stops being worth our time to try to fix. "
...
What? The fact I'm not doing them...That makes no sense.
So you're telling me I can't edit again just because of some minor, nitpicky things I could easily fix right now? Many of which I was either not aware of and never came to light until now (Funny that...) and that any troper would likewise unknowingly do. Again last time I was here was last year, middle of last year. I admitted my mistake and went on. I haven't caused any trouble since and been trying to avoid it. I get the odd warning but I still do heed them. But one little error on an MLP page and suddenly I'm too much to deal with because of small technicalities?
edited 28th May '15 6:59:12 AM by Retro7
It all good, just try to keep it that way. Neh?
You've already had several chances to modify your behaviour, yet you have failed to do so.
So answer me this: How are we going to benefit by giving you a fourth chance when you squandered your second and third?
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Retro
Again, I'm not doing it deliberately. And what do you mean "behavior", your acting like I'm doing this for kicks.
"Squandered" means I haven't been trying. That I have had ill intentions from the get go and taking advantage of the chance gave to me. Fighteer however made it clear that that isn't the case.
"It is the fact that you are not doing them deliberately that is the problem; you seem unaware of these issues even after repeated corrections."
I take it to mean that you know I knew of the issues, but I'm not trying to fix them. But I assure you I am. The problem is some of those things that were listed I wasn't even unaware of. Not trying and not knowing are two different things.
For example, what do you people consider natter? I was lead to believe it mean don't turn a trope into a conversation or opinion. But things like "Turned on it's head" or the small joke that are within the context of the trope are this? Do you guys even read the material of the work I'm putting the trope examples on, because then you would know why I do. You say have fun with it but when we do, that's a wrong way to do it. What? So just straight facts like Wikipedia. How can I avoid it when the definition of it keeps changing. I wasn't even aware that last parts were natter and that only came up till now. Not in the History of the work pages, not in the warnings sent to me. No, here is where that suddenly comes up. That is honestly unfair to me when you don't even make me aware of it until it's too late". Not once have I gotten a warning about that, not once''.
Spoiler tagging, fine that was my bad. But I didn't create the page and honestly, it's a recent arc. I was mostly trying to be courteous to new readers. But do the majority of those tags belong to me? And Fighteer himself stated these are popular pages so of course fans would know these characters for the suppose Word Cruft. Not saying that should be ignored but again, wasn't informed of any wrong doing. But hey, what do I know, I'm just trying to put the example the best I can.
So here's my question, what have I done so majorly wrong. And I don't mean doing trope examples wrong by accident or some minor infraction (and you know what I mean, don't get technical). What have I done that really, REALLY upset the whole nature of the site that I deserved to be banned for it. Do ANY of my past offense since the Bleach thing have any malicious intent behind it? I know your trying to maintain order here. I respect that. But exactly how many warnings have you send out to people that have deliberately ignore them? Like Fighteer said, you would've just banned me outright if that was the case.
I'm not perfect, but I'm not ignorant either guys. Only thing I can tell you, I can try to do better.
edited 28th May '15 7:01:29 AM by Retro7
It all good, just try to keep it that way. Neh?
Just found I was suspended and I'm not actually sure exactly what rule I broke. I edit infrequently so I can only guess it was related to a page move I undid a week ago. Someone had moved Society For Creative Anachronism under "LARP," which is actually considered quite offensive to members of the latter, akin to calling Tae Kwon Do a type of "Theater." Actually come to think of it, it's debatable if the Society For Creative Anachronism should even have a page, because it's neither a trope nor a creative work.
I thought I was following rules properly but evidently I must have done something wrong. So, my bad?
Lost in Space
~Legitimus: Your move did not follow proper procedures. The only articles that belong in Main are tropes and indexes. The SCA is rather ambiguous as far as wiki articles are concerned and there was some discussion in Ask The Tropers over what to do with it; the overall consensus was to move it to Useful Notes and strip out most of the trope examples as they were about it and its members rather than any creative work that the organization does.
What bothered us most, however, was the antagonism of your edits. If there are any conventions that we borrow from Wikipedia, one of them is "assume good faith". You should not presume to speak for an entire group, nor should you assume that the organizational placement of an article is intended as an insult towards the subject.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
"antagonism" sounds a tad unfair, but I suppose the page move evoked some emotions from prior instances of bullying that occurred outside of this site, and this blinded me to assuming good faith. I have spent too long in certain circles weathering the machinations of people who hide under the assumption of good faith, and in doing so, have become too quick to the counter-attack. But this is a new site with a very different kind of editor. For what it's worth "A single reprimand does more for a person of understanding than a hundred lashes on the back of a fool."
edited 27th May '15 12:41:41 PM by Legitimus
Lost in Space
You'll find that we're a lot more easy-going than most places on the Internet, as long as you are willing to work with us. It's clear this was a misunderstanding, so I'll release your suspension.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Made this account some time ago. Just when I was about to make my first edit, I'm banned? I've never even made a single edit on here before!
Because we were able to link your account with a serial ban evader.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
I've never even made an account on here before. :(
Lost in Space
That's funny, because the only IP address used by the six other handles of this individual is the one you're using. And don't try to pull the "it's a college" or "it's a hotspot" excuses, because we checked.
Ah, I see. You're the Bleach vandal. Nice to talk to you again.
edited 27th May '15 3:34:00 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
So, I've been banned, I'm not exactly sure why. Could someone tell me why I was banned, how I can get unbanned, and what I need to do to avoid being banned again in the future. Thanks.