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Deadlock Clock: Sep 5th 2011 at 11:59:00 PM
Earnest from Monterrey Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#1: Nov 30th 2010 at 10:23:16 AM

It was brought up that the new name for Epiphanic Purgatory isn't as inclusive as the old one, Dark Side Cave. It's pretty young, so we can change the name with little confusion.

Thoughts?

edited 30th Nov '10 11:17:06 AM by Earnest

SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#2: Nov 30th 2010 at 10:39:12 AM

I don't "get" Dark Side Cave, and I'm content with the current name.

Edit: Wait, hold on a second, you're linking to the discussion page for a trope that's different from the one you made a topic for.

edited 30th Nov '10 10:41:54 AM by SeanMurrayI

Earnest from Monterrey Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#3: Nov 30th 2010 at 11:16:31 AM

Aw crud, I brainfarted on the topic title. It should be Epiphanic Purgatory. Is there a way to change the topic title, or should I launch a new thread and ask the mods to lock this one?

edited 30th Nov '10 11:17:57 AM by Earnest

SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#4: Nov 30th 2010 at 11:19:38 AM

^Fixed.

For future reference though, the button to change the trope relevant to the discussion can be found immediately to the left of the "see the stale discussions report" command at the top of the thread.

edited 1st Dec '10 12:21:48 PM by SeanMurrayI

troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#5: Nov 30th 2010 at 11:24:40 AM

I'm thinking something like This Place Is Evil.

Rhymes with "Protracted."
Earnest from Monterrey Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#6: Dec 1st 2010 at 12:13:41 PM

Thanks Sean.

I didn't like Dark Side Cave originally because it just seemed easy to confuse with Place of Power but for The Dark Side, or as a Scary Cave.

This Place Is Evil is part of the trope, but specifically the place is one that tosses your worst fears and failures at you as illusions/real threats.

troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#7: Dec 2nd 2010 at 3:05:48 AM

Good point. Psychological Torment Zone? Cave Of Nightmares?

edited 2nd Dec '10 3:06:23 AM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
mmysqueeant I'm A Dirty Cowboy from Essairrrrcks Since: Oct, 2010
I'm A Dirty Cowboy
#8: Dec 2nd 2010 at 5:33:08 AM

Room One Oh One ?

Eh, nah, that suggests that there's no ethical way out. EDIT: Wait, just checked the actual page. Is Room101 really an example? Really? I guess that it's a kinda warped example, but... he betrays his loved one to escape :'( and so did she.

The Lies Will Lock You In ?

Gah. I really like Epiphanic Purgatory, if only because it sounds like A Good Name for a Rock Band.

edited 2nd Dec '10 5:37:06 AM by mmysqueeant

troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#9: Dec 11th 2010 at 4:00:06 PM

Something about nightmares. Den Of Nightmares, Nightmare Land...

Rhymes with "Protracted."
troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#10: Jan 28th 2011 at 4:35:30 PM

Bump

Rhymes with "Protracted."
BlackHumor Unreliable Narrator from Zombie City Since: Jan, 2001
#11: Jan 28th 2011 at 9:05:04 PM

Eh, I kind of like Dark Side Cave.

This may be Fan Myopia though, as I have played both KOTO Rs.

I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1
Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#12: Jan 30th 2011 at 10:53:48 PM

When I read this I thought this was a Literal Epiphanic Purgatory such as, Hindu myth and Digital Devil Saga and Angel Beats.

  • 1 for rename

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#13: Jan 30th 2011 at 10:58:31 PM

I think it's a bad snowclone of Epiphanic Prison which is the trope Raso is talking about. It doesn't make much sense though because the two tropes have almost nothing in common.

edited 30th Jan '11 10:58:46 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
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LouieW Loser from Babycowland Since: Aug, 2009
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#15: Jul 23rd 2011 at 10:57:40 AM

There is now a single proposition rename crowner for this trope here.

I agree with Raso that the current name could be confused with a religious idea of purgatory so I support a rename.

"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 d
blackcat Since: Apr, 2009
#16: Sep 2nd 2011 at 6:55:02 AM

There has been a call to lock the thread, five votes seems paltry. Clocking

troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#17: Sep 2nd 2011 at 5:52:14 PM

Okay, now we've got some more votes.

Rhymes with "Protracted."
LouieW Loser from Babycowland Since: Aug, 2009
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#18: Sep 3rd 2011 at 1:27:41 PM

Given the support for a rename, there is now an alternative titles crowner here. Feel free to add names as you see fit.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#20: Oct 8th 2011 at 2:37:31 PM

Bump for more votes.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#21: Oct 8th 2011 at 6:37:13 PM

One question — does this trope require the psychological torment to be self-inflicted? The whole point of the pagequote / Trope Namer was that the place wasn't evil, it was just a reflection of the person in the place. That's why when Luke asks "what's in there?", Yoda says "only what you take with you".

If the trope is just a general "place that messes with your head", then Psychological Torment Zone is fine. But if it's actually "a place that forces you to deal with your inner demons", then I think we need a different name.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#22: Oct 8th 2011 at 9:22:43 PM

I don't know if self-inflicted is the right word. I'd think of it as more of a preying-on-your-deepest-fears-and-anxieties-and-stuff sort of thing, and that's the reason it's so effective—cuz it's building on the insecurities you already have. But I'm not sure how restrictively we want to interpret the definition in that regard, and I'm comfortable classifying it under the loose banner of "Psychological Torment" and whatever connotations that carries.

Rhymes with "Protracted."
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#23: Oct 9th 2011 at 11:14:39 AM

True, self-inflicted isn't quite the right word. But the point is, does the effect prey on some sort of Fatal Flaw, or does it just Mind Rape everyone? The description says "Sometimes however, it can be stopped the moment the victim says "I'm Not Afraid of You" and/or reaches an emotional epiphany", implying that people who have achieved "inner peace" or conquered their Enemy Within wouldn't be effected by it. The proposed new titles don't really cover that — "Psychological Torment Zone" really just implies "place that Mind Rapes people".

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#24: Oct 9th 2011 at 11:33:48 AM

[up] That's Epiphanic Prison. It often overlaps, but it is a different thing.

Rhymes with "Protracted."
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#25: Oct 9th 2011 at 2:01:38 PM

An Epiphanic Prison is about something that keeps people captive by keeping them from realizing that they're imprisoned at all. The epiphany that lets you escape an Epiphanic Prison is the fact that you're in an Epiphanic Prison. Epiphanic prisons are usually actually quite nice places, in order to keep people from wanting to escape. Epiphanic Purgatory, on the other hand, is Mind Rape that you can only escape from by having an epiphany about your Fatal Flaw / Enemy Within / whatever.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

AlternativeTitles: EpiphanicPurgatory
3rd Sep '11 1:24:19 PM

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Previous crowner showed consensus support for a rename.

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