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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#976: Jan 4th 2013 at 9:52:23 AM

Is Second Season Downfall YMMV or objective?

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#977: Jan 4th 2013 at 11:32:19 AM

Looking at the examples, they seem relatively objectively written. The problem seems to be that there's no clear boundary of what counts or not, other than that the first season was better received than the second, and that it ends there. I think it's more of an Audience Reaction than a trope, though.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#980: Jan 22nd 2013 at 11:13:44 PM

The example section and wicks for Grandma, What Massive Hotness You Have! have been cleaned so there's no more subjective usage for that trope.

The bigger problem was the frequent misusage in place of Older Than They Look.

edited 22nd Jan '13 11:13:59 PM by captainpat

MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
#981: Jan 24th 2013 at 11:33:32 AM

I am nominating Reality Is Unrealistic. Following the description, it is the audience guessing something realistic is unrealistic. In other words, an Audience Reaction.

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#982: Jan 24th 2013 at 11:36:30 AM

I don't think so. It can be objectively demonstrated. It may be getting applied subjectively or in a "complaining about fans" manner, but the criteria themselves are not subjective. Seems like it might qualify as an Audience Reaction though.

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MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#985: Jan 24th 2013 at 11:44:11 AM

Can we get the Sweet Exists entry off the crowner? Sugar Wiki is a subwiki, not a trope list.

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Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
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#986: Jan 24th 2013 at 1:01:34 PM

Yeah, that isn't really a valid option. Sugar and Darth pages aren't meant to be wicked on the main wiki anyway, to my knowledge.

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Twentington Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Desperate
#987: Jan 28th 2013 at 9:55:10 PM

Not sure if this is the right place, but I think The Catchphrase Catches On should be Trivia, not YMMV. Nothing seems subjective about it to my eyes.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#988: Jan 29th 2013 at 12:27:16 AM

It's an Audience Reaction, akin to Memetic Mutation.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#989: Jan 30th 2013 at 8:56:16 AM

Moving to long term.

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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#990: Jan 30th 2013 at 10:26:34 AM

I'll ask again since it's still getting positive votes. Is there a reason why Grandma, What Massive Hotness You Have! should be YMMV? It's reads like like a trope in the same way Amazonian Beauty or Big Beautiful Woman are tropes. If we're gonna classify as YMMV then we might cut the page.

edited 30th Jan '13 10:26:53 AM by captainpat

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#991: Jan 30th 2013 at 10:28:11 AM

Because people think that all the "hot" stuff is just Fetish Fuel in disguise.

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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#992: Jan 30th 2013 at 12:20:56 PM

Having visible old characters and portraying them with Fanservice Tropes, The Beautiful Tropes, or making them a Love Interest, isn't Fetish Fuel though. I don't large misuse is a good reason to make a legitimate trope subjective.

A cleanup (which was already done), or a rename, sure, but turning this into a page where tropers can gush about whatever old character turns them on seems wrong.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#993: Jan 30th 2013 at 12:23:49 PM

For exactly that reason, I gave it a [tdown] in the crowner.

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#994: Jan 30th 2013 at 5:49:18 PM

I'm left very confused by the "put Sugar Wiki under YMMV" bit.

Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#995: Jan 30th 2013 at 5:58:47 PM

My guess would be that whoever put that up was thinking about adding the YMMV page to every page in the Sugar Wiki.

Which, in my opinion, is unnecessary; that's what the difference in background is for, as Sugar Wiki is for inherently subjective or non-serious stuff.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#996: Jan 31st 2013 at 1:53:24 AM

Re Reality Is Unrealistic, the amount of Conversation In The Main Page is pretty low, to be honest. Ergo, it gets a [tdown] as well.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#997: Jan 31st 2013 at 8:45:32 AM

It feels like the choices have been re-worded or something, because I don't recognise my voting choices... Or someone used my account, which may or may not have happened...

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#998: Jan 31st 2013 at 9:26:23 AM

No such thing is visible in the crowner history.

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Dingbot Since: Feb, 2012
#999: Feb 9th 2013 at 6:43:09 PM

How about the "Adorkable" pages? One person's dork is another person's "in need of a punch in the nose." Or something like that.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1000: Feb 11th 2013 at 6:04:37 AM

For lack of a better topic: Does JustForFun.Come For The X Stay For The Y really need the YMMV banner?

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6th Apr '12 3:44:26 AM

Crown Description:

YMMV is for items that are reactions of the audience to works and tropes that need a significant judgment call to tell whether they exist objectively or not.

Should these items become members of YMMV?

Note: Audience Reactions need to be subjective, emotional responses and things that are likely to cause arguments and disagreements. Merely being outside a work or inside an audience don't make things YMMV

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