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Calling Breather Level

Added Signature Song. That is definitely an Audience Reaction, given that it is about the audience identifying the artist with the song. Also, looking through the page's edit history there have been a several disagreements over what are the signature songs of certain artists.

edited 28th Apr '12 5:11:41 PM by djbj

Calling Yoko Oh No and Shallow Parody

Added Acceptable Breaks from Reality. As the name of the trope suggests, the break from reality relies on personal acceptance. And personal acceptance is, you guessed it, entirely subjective.

Acceptable Breaks from Reality is an index. It doesn't make sense for an index of tropes to be listed as an Audience Reaction.

It doesn't depend on the audience's reaction, anyway. "Acceptable" doesn't refer to a viewer consciously deciding that it's acceptable. It refers to real-world rules being ignored for the sake of the story—the idea that making everything as accurate and realistic as possible would be detrimental to the work. That's not YMMV.

What he said. The "acceptable" in Acceptable Breaks from Reality is not a value judgement; it is a statement of fact that in certain genres, ignoring certain aspects of realism is required in order to create a workable story.

For example, Space Opera nearly always has to have FTL Travel and corresponding Space Is an Ocean lest we be treated to boring years-long journeys between even the nearest stars. It's not a matter of liking it; if you fail to accept FTL Travel as an underlying premise, you are going to miss out on entire libraries full of sci-fi works.

It's very closely related to Anthropic Principle, which says that calling the superhero genre unrealistic because it has super-powered heroes is completely missing the point.

edited 2nd May '12 1:24:57 PM by Fighteer

I've added it because I've seen it listed as an actual trope. Since it's an index, not a trope, I assume the policy is to nuke it?

Indexes shouldn't be marked subjective anyway, but our point is that it is not, under any but the loosest interpretation, subjective.

Indexes should not be used directly as examples, but can certainly be referenced by them.

edited 3rd May '12 11:48:40 AM by Fighteer

So basically, indexes shouldn't be posted as actual tropes?

Correct. Super Tropes may be, of course, but you are encouraged to look for more specific ones if possible.

edited 3rd May '12 12:43:28 PM by Fighteer

Just wanted to clear this up. I was surprised to see Acceptable... posted as an actual trope and thus the proposal.

Added Purple Prose. The description states,

and as I see it, the exact moment when Utility is sacrificed on the altar of Eloquence can't be objectively determined.

That one's got a TRS thread

Should a note to that effect be added by its entry on the crowner?

Done, also edited the crowner inititation to make clear what "Audience Reactions" we are after.

calling Death of the Author

Hollywood Personality Disorders needs a banner. Hell, at the end of the article in bold letters is your mileage may vary. Personally I think the article should be cut, but that's for another topic.

edited 13th May '12 4:42:39 PM by BerryBubble

That thing is just a disclaimer. No idea why we would need it, really.

Alert: Signature Song needs only one vote to hit a ratio of 10 votes. Note: Exist 19 already called examples and no example with less than 10 votes. I guess it is a good time to a new crowner.

edited 20th May '12 10:28:41 AM by MagBas

Alas, Poor Villain needs to have the banner taken off. It's not subjective at all. It's when there's a final emotional moment of sympathy when the villain dies. (Like a Single Tear or whatever.)

edited 26th May '12 12:31:26 PM by troacctid

That should probably go to TRS. Judging by the description and the (contextless) examples it seems like an Audience Reaction to me.

Most of the examples on the page look like pretty straight, correct usages to me. We've got the Green Goblin whispering to Spider Man not to tell his son what a monster he's become, the bad guy from The Mummy Returns quietly letting go of the ledge with a look of despair and hopelessness on his face, The Penguin's final moments with his penguins in Batman Returns, Javert in Les Miserables getting a sad song to send him off, the heroes of GI Joe taking a moment to lay flowers on their fallen foe's grave, etc.

It's the incorrect examples on the page and the wicks that bother me. It's one thing to remove the audience reference in the description, a quite different one to clean examples.

Not sure if it's the correct place, but I notice that there is a lot of seemingly-random overlap and non-overlap between YMMV/YMMV.Home Page and Audience Reactions as well as a lot of unsorted items at the bottom of Audience Reactions. Should they be sorted so that Audience Reactions stay on Audience Reactions and non-Audience Reaction YMMV go on YMMV and YMMV.Home Page?

Probably, yes.