Pages that need the YMMV banner:

Total posts: [1,546]
1 ... 30 31 32 33 34
36 37 38 39 40 ... 62
851 MagBas27th Apr 2012 11:21:24 AM from In my house
Added Signature Song. That is definitely an Audience Reaction, given that it is about the audience identifying the artist with the song. Also, looking through the page's edit history there have been a several disagreements over what are the signature songs of certain artists.

edited 28th Apr '12 5:11:41 PM by djbj

853 MagBas28th Apr 2012 06:32:55 PM from In my house
854 Tagaziel2nd May 2012 08:42:57 AM from Site 42 , Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Added Acceptable Breaks from Reality. As the name of the trope suggests, the break from reality relies on personal acceptance. And personal acceptance is, you guessed it, entirely subjective.
Acceptable Breaks from Reality is an index. It doesn't make sense for an index of tropes to be listed as an Audience Reaction.

It doesn't depend on the audience's reaction, anyway. "Acceptable" doesn't refer to a viewer consciously deciding that it's acceptable. It refers to real-world rules being ignored for the sake of the story—the idea that making everything as accurate and realistic as possible would be detrimental to the work. That's not YMMV.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
856 Fighteer2nd May 2012 01:24:08 PM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
[up] What he said. The "acceptable" in Acceptable Breaks from Reality is not a value judgement; it is a statement of fact that in certain genres, ignoring certain aspects of realism is required in order to create a workable story.

For example, Space Opera nearly always has to have FTL Travel and corresponding Space Is an Ocean lest we be treated to boring years-long journeys between even the nearest stars. It's not a matter of liking it; if you fail to accept FTL Travel as an underlying premise, you are going to miss out on entire libraries full of sci-fi works.

It's very closely related to Anthropic Principle, which says that calling the superhero genre unrealistic because it has super-powered heroes is completely missing the point.

edited 2nd May '12 1:24:57 PM by Fighteer

857 Tagaziel3rd May 2012 11:43:34 AM from Site 42 , Relationship Status: I <3 love!
I've added it because I've seen it listed as an actual trope. Since it's an index, not a trope, I assume the policy is to nuke it?
858 Fighteer3rd May 2012 11:48:04 AM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Indexes shouldn't be marked subjective anyway, but our point is that it is not, under any but the loosest interpretation, subjective.

Indexes should not be used directly as examples, but can certainly be referenced by them.

edited 3rd May '12 11:48:40 AM by Fighteer

859 Tagaziel3rd May 2012 12:18:12 PM from Site 42 , Relationship Status: I <3 love!
So basically, indexes shouldn't be posted as actual tropes?
860 Fighteer3rd May 2012 12:43:02 PM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Correct. Super Tropes may be, of course, but you are encouraged to look for more specific ones if possible.

edited 3rd May '12 12:43:28 PM by Fighteer

861 Tagaziel3rd May 2012 12:45:22 PM from Site 42 , Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Just wanted to clear this up. I was surprised to see Acceptable... posted as an actual trope and thus the proposal.
Added Purple Prose. The description states,

This trope does not cover works in a florid but not intrusive style — the sacrifice of Utility on the altar of Eloquence is an essential feature of Purple Prose.

and as I see it, the exact moment when Utility is sacrificed on the altar of Eloquence can't be objectively determined.
Quid autem coelo pulchrius, nempe quod continet pulchra omnia?
863 SeptimusHeap5th May 2012 12:44:44 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
That one's got a TRS thread
In uffish thought
Should a note to that effect be added by its entry on the crowner?
865 SeptimusHeap5th May 2012 01:10:07 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
[up]Done, also edited the crowner inititation to make clear what "Audience Reactions" we are after.
866 MagBas5th May 2012 01:31:15 PM from In my house
Hollywood Personality Disorders needs a banner. Hell, at the end of the article in bold letters is your mileage may vary. Personally I think the article should be cut, but that's for another topic.

edited 13th May '12 4:42:39 PM by BerryBubble

868 SeptimusHeap14th May 2012 08:33:50 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
[up]That thing is just a disclaimer. No idea why we would need it, really.
869 MagBas17th May 2012 02:06:18 PM from In my house
Alert: Signature Song needs only one vote to hit a ratio of 10 votes. Note: Exist 19 already called examples and no example with less than 10 votes. I guess it is a good time to a new crowner.

edited 20th May '12 10:28:41 AM by MagBas

Alas, Poor Villain needs to have the banner taken off. It's not subjective at all. It's when there's a final emotional moment of sympathy when the villain dies. (Like a Single Tear or whatever.)

edited 26th May '12 12:31:26 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
871 SeptimusHeap26th May 2012 12:33:22 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
[up]That should probably go to TRS. Judging by the description and the (contextless) examples it seems like an Audience Reaction to me.
Most of the examples on the page look like pretty straight, correct usages to me. We've got the Green Goblin whispering to Spider-Man not to tell his son what a monster he's become, the bad guy from The Mummy Returns quietly letting go of the ledge with a look of despair and hopelessness on his face, The Penguin's final moments with his penguins in Batman Returns, Javert in Les Misérables getting a sad song to send him off, the heroes of G.I. Joe taking a moment to lay flowers on their fallen foe's grave, etc.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
873 SeptimusHeap26th May 2012 12:46:18 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
[up]It's the incorrect examples on the page and the wicks that bother me. It's one thing to remove the audience reference in the description, a quite different one to clean examples.
874 SeptimusHeap30th May 2012 05:17:55 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Not sure if it's the correct place, but I notice that there is a lot of seemingly-random overlap and non-overlap between YMMV/YMMV.Home Page and Audience Reactions as well as a lot of unsorted items at the bottom of Audience Reactions. Should they be sorted so that Audience Reactions stay on Audience Reactions and non-Audience Reaction YMMV go on YMMV and YMMV.Home Page?
Probably, yes.
Rhymes with "Protracted."

Page Action: YMMV Banner 4
17th Aug '14 8:08:24 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
YMMV is for items that are reactions of the audience to works and tropes that need a significant judgment call to tell whether they exist objectively or not.

Should these items become members of YMMV?

Total posts: 1,546
1 ... 30 31 32 33 34
36 37 38 39 40 ... 62