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Kyon: Big Damn Hero:

Eheheh...
Yes.

Why is Haruhi related stuff assumed to be set after the time it was created? So confusing... especially when you take into account the SOS Brigade's computer. The newest one that the computer club had, when they took it. Look at the monitor.

Apart from the disease being semi-treatable before Higurashi took place, that makes sense. The only flaw is that it's probably completely treatable by the time of K:BDH and would have to be for some time for Satoshi to have children. Not to mention that the symptoms would have to escape everyone's attention.

Err... and there's a vaccine against it. Apparently.

edited 26th Feb '11 10:26:15 AM by RainyDaze

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 1352 Unclouded TJ, Sat, 26th Feb '11 10:07:18 AM Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
[up][up]Wow that makes a ton of sense Specular. Nice theory.
Unclouded TJ: Taking Bunny-Ears Lawyer too literally.
@Rainy Daze: I agree, there should be a treatment at that time, but not a vaccine. They are very different things.

I miss a important info, how much older is Kyon's cousin than he?

edited 26th Feb '11 10:29:31 AM by Specular2

"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
Eheheh...
http://whentheycry.wikia.com/wiki/Crazy_Medicine

If that's accurate, there is a vaccine.

'Older' is all that we have to go on.

edited 26th Feb '11 10:31:00 AM by RainyDaze

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That is from the visual novels or from other media of the franchise like the live action or some of the manga adaptations?

edited 26th Feb '11 10:35:08 AM by Specular2

"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
Eheheh...
The information appears to be primarily from the visual novels.

(like any other vaccine, it proved to be useless for those who already had the Syndrome, such as Takano Miyo who succumbed to LV 5 near the end of Matsuribayashi-hen, since she did visit Hinamizawa a few times before C-117 was developed).

That's on the Hinamizawa Syndrome page, though.

Still have to wonder how everyone missed the instability associated with Level 3.

edited 26th Feb '11 10:38:05 AM by RainyDaze

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Occam's Razor. She could be absent for a while from Hinamizawa and returned because of the festival. That's the reason why her age is important.

EDIT: How about a Boarding School? Hinamizawa is a very small town after all.

edited 26th Feb '11 10:52:56 AM by Specular2

"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
Eheheh...
Getting too far away from Rika wouldn't be good for her mental health, either. Possibly.

And I think you mean Hanlon's Razor.

And then she came back... presumably after quite a lot of stress, otherwise things would probably have stayed at level one or two and not gotten to four...

That  * or university.

edited 26th Feb '11 11:00:32 AM by RainyDaze

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Another possibility: She was infected with the C-120 on purpose. In that case the sickness progresses very quickly and gives the theory a simple cause: Vengeance. Takano or maybe some other person from "Tokyo" (I believe that was the name of the secret organization who financed the investigation) wanted revenge from Sonozaki family.

edited 26th Feb '11 11:20:15 AM by Specular2

"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
Eheheh...
I'd expect Takano to be locked away somewhere, since she's both mad and a criminal. As for Tokyo... that doesn't seem like very good revenge. Too much chance of it not having the desired effect.
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Sorry for the wait.

All I could find about what happened to Takano after Matsuribayashi-hen was this bit in Higurashi's trope page (Karma Houdini entry):

The last episode of Kai hints that the scapegoat plan might fail because Okonogi lets Takano live, and Tomitake intervenes by arranging her to receive treatment instead of being transported to Tokyo. It is still likely that the faction escapes, leaving Nomura as the new scapegoat. It is also likely that Takano was successfully made the scapegoat in all the previous cycles.


In other topic: Are Haruhi and Kyon going to disappear together into "the safe-mode world" on a regular basis for some minutes at a time because of their "regular checkups"? I'm sure that that will not be misconstrued, If You Know What I Mean.

edited 26th Feb '11 1:01:17 PM by Specular2

"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
Eheheh...
The only other person I can name that reached stage 5 and got treatment is Satoshi. Considering what that entails...

I get a feeling that Takano, if she's still alive and has recovered from... well, everything  * would still come back to Hinamizawa, no matter people's opinions on her.

Unless Kyon's a sadist and wants to overload Haruhi with months' worth of memories whenever anything goes wrong, I'd guess so.

edited 26th Feb '11 1:38:43 PM by RainyDaze

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The "interdiction field" excuse doesn't have wildcard potential. Doing it during nighttime would avoid the questions from almost everyone (including Haruhi), except probably Koizumi's Organization.

Now that I think about, Mori must be building a very interesting mental image of Kyon.
"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
Eheheh...
Well, he'll find a new excuse as necessary. To be honest, being alone with Haruhi is enough - she doesn't seem to remember whatever happens.

Her picture isn't entirely inaccurate... he just hasn't done what she thinks... yet. Probably.

Is it strange that I can't bring myself to dislike Miyo?

edited 26th Feb '11 2:07:24 PM by RainyDaze

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 1365 Filraen, Sat, 26th Feb '11 2:58:07 PM from Monstro Town
Too much things happened around here and I'm still on vacation!

Daze: about the year being 2011, Sasaki and Kyon agreed on their reunion on a Monday May 30th (Thwarted Lull-1). Not conclusive, but which are the nearest years (forward or backwards) when May 30th is Monday?

(Not a month after Golden Week, Thwarted Lull 1)

"Ah, I've got something then, myself ... what about Monday a week after next? The thirtieth?"

Now, does Keiichi have some sort of supernatural family background in Higurashi? I'm finding curious on how he Kyon is immune to full-power!Haruhi's mind reading.

edited 26th Feb '11 4:41:40 PM by Filraen

Eheheh...
Err... 2010. Which is neither of the proposed years, wonderful.

Keichii is immune?

Oh, wait, the first calendar I looked at was wrong. This year and 2005.

edited 26th Feb '11 3:04:36 PM by RainyDaze

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 1367 Marq FJA, Sat, 26th Feb '11 3:24:31 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
safe-mode!Haruhi was talking about Kyon being immune to her mind-reading, not Keiichi.

And about the Hinamizawa Syndrome... Who's to say that Kyon's cousin had not contracted a mutated strain of the Syndrome? And wasn't their speculation that the Syndrome is actually caused by "parasitic data-entities", and the "maggots" are their physical manifestation?

edited 26th Feb '11 3:27:31 PM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
Eheheh...
The maggots were Rena's hallucination. The actual agent was most likely bacterial or viral or something - there's a vaccine, which the photo guy was taking, and a 'cure' which treats some of the effects of the later stages.

And that was Miyo's speculation in one chapter. #34, which is probably the closest to the one she believed - that it was a normal illness.
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 1369 Filraen, Sat, 26th Feb '11 4:35:24 PM from Monstro Town
This year (2011) May 30th is monday, not 2010.

About mind reading immunity I was thinking if a common supernatural background between Keiichi and Kyon gives the latter immunity.

edited 26th Feb '11 4:39:50 PM by Filraen

Eheheh...
I edited...
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 1371 Mad Kitsu, Sun, 27th Feb '11 4:36:11 AM from Pursuiting a Trope-tan..
The Kitsune of Lunacy
Hold it, guys. I just realized something...

If Miyo Tanako is still alive, and she ends up somehow showing up in the K:BDH verse, along with the fact that Miyuki is still investigating the Yamiguchi-gumi (read: Kyon), well...

edited 27th Feb '11 4:41:10 AM by MadKitsu

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Eheheh...
The only 'supernatural' element Kyon and Keichii share is probably level 1/2 Hinamizawa Syndrome. Unless Kyon is somehow descended from Hanyuu, there doesn't appear to be anything else in his background which could explain the way no-one can read his mind.

I'm not sure how she'd get from Kyon, in Nishinomiya, in the present, to Tokyo nearly thirty years previously on the other side of the country. Plus Kyon wasn't alive then, so it's rather unlikely that Miyuki will pay much attention to what Miyo did - if it's even recorded anywhere.

Edited the WMG page but I couldn't work out how to condense Specular's theory. So... I left a placeholder, added to the previous theory I'd put there, and added another one.

edited 27th Feb '11 5:49:03 AM by RainyDaze

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 1373 Marq FJA, Sun, 27th Feb '11 10:10:02 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
But if Kyon is a carrier the Hinamizawa Syndrome pathogen, then how can we explain why it hadn't "awakened" to Levels 3 or above during the times of extreme duress that he had faced "recently"  i.e.?
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
Eheheh...
Extreme luck? Or maybe just an innate resistance to the disease that would take something truly ridiculous to overcome.

Come to think of it, Kyon was far more agitated than normal in Disappearance...

So... if he hadn't stopped Tsuruya falling out of the window, I guess things might have gone downhill. But the Power of Friendship has been shown to be enough to overcome even Level 5. Last episode before Kai, for instance.

Oh, and I edited the Tattooed Crook WMG a bit. I think even Haruhi would consider a full tattoo excessive. A finished, smaller one is intimidating enough, after all. And easier to hide.

edited 27th Feb '11 10:15:13 AM by RainyDaze

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 1375 Silver, Sun, 27th Feb '11 6:38:42 PM from under a sandstone rock
If Kyon was a carrier for Hinamizawa syndrome, the Higurashi crowd would not let him out of the village for his and others' safety, and they would have forced this fact into Kyon's mother's head at any cost. Not without constant medical and psychological examinations to make sure he's not at risk, anyway. They nearly lost everything thanks to the syndrome, averted only thanks to the ability to die hundreds of times over, and you can be certain they're not going to let the syndrome run rampant in their family again.
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