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Kyon: Big Damn Hero:

 13626 Eamil, Thu, 31st Jan '13 11:26:11 AM from Somewhere over there. Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
I'm sort of on the fence with Latex Space Suit. It doesn't seem like the skinsuit is deliberately playing with that trope, but I can't say my opinion is that strong about it one way or the other.

edited 31st Jan '13 11:29:01 AM by Eamil

Tropes question:

How about:

  • Hyper Awareness: An highly specific case. After Kanae learns how to slide within the same universe (which she dubs as "Jumping") Yuki trains Kanae to quickly and precisely assess spatial information to the point she's able to determine Sasaki's sizes from memory with enough detail for Mikuru to prepare an outfit for her in Chapter 52, after seeing her, at most, a couple of times. As of Chapter 58, it's currently unknown whether this is purely the result of the training or if Kanae in fact possesses some kind of Required Secondary Power related to spatial recognition.


Random pictures.

Now that I think about it, Yuki has a canon-ish bodysuit labeled "space ninja" (宇宙忍者).


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"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
 13628 Eamil, Fri, 1st Feb '13 7:45:18 AM from Somewhere over there. Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
[up]That second sentence about Required Secondary Powers seems unnecessary to me (since it's unknown we can just add that as a separate example if it actually comes up) but the rest of it sounds good.

 13629 Filraen, Fri, 1st Feb '13 10:31:59 AM from Monstro Town
This costume of Yuki... it was from the theater? (Haruhi Theater, episode 2)
@Eamil:

I was also thinking that the entry ran too long.


@Filraen:

Space-ninja!Yuki—just like Pirate!Haruhi ([1], [2], [3]) and Apron-dress!Mikuru ([4], [5], [6])—came from Suzumiya Haruhi no Heiretsu, an adventure game for the Wii, apparently as unlockable alternate outfits.


Unrelated.

I was checking the trope page for "I Will Definitely Protect You" and I noticed that the Brigade doesn't know yet about the time when Kyon said something awfully similar in LL-2, i.e. "I won't ever turn my back on Tsuruya-hime". IMHO, it sounds like first-rate gossip/bragging material for a girl to share with her close female friends.

Now that I think about it, saying something like that in front of the freaking kumichou of the Yamaguchi-gumi as a matter of course and without really meaning to qualifies as a nice mix of CMoA and CMoH in my book. No wonder Tsuruya reacted as she did smile.

Thinking about it a little more, there are a few other titbits with the potential of resulting in interesting reactions that have not yet reached "common knowledge" status within the Big Damn Harem. For example:

  • Kyon's Porn Stash and Mikuru and Tsuruya's contributions to it.
  • Peeping Tom!Haruhi during the first set of Hinamizawa chapters (Fa-3).
  • "Yuki-rin". 'Nuff said.
  • The recordings of Kyon kissing Mikuru, Kanae and Haruhi (IINM, he doesn't know about that).
  • One from canon (7th novel): the time when "Michiru" and Kyon hid in the (small) utility closet in the clubroom while "Mikuru" put on her maid outfit (a little aide-mémoire).

Am I missing other examples? (please say yes)

edited 1st Feb '13 3:06:37 PM by Specular

"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
 13631 Eamil, Fri, 1st Feb '13 4:21:02 PM from Somewhere over there. Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
[up]When you put it that way, now I think Kyon has to call her "Yuki-rin" in front of the Brigade at least once. [lol]

And Haruhi at least would definitely approve of Kyon's stash (I hesitate to call it a Porn Stash since aside from the pictures Mikuru and Tsuruya sent him Mikuru's actually fully clothed) even if she did think he was giving her a guilt trip over it earlier in the story.

 13632 Marq FJA, Sat, 2nd Feb '13 4:58:41 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
It counts as a PG-13 version of Porn Stash, or maybe as a Downplayed Trope version, I think.

And I do wish to see what would happen if Haruhi or Mikuru used the "Yukirin" nickname, given the already existent Les Yay between Yuki and the two (okay, might be a bit of a stretch with Mikuru, but they did get a lot closer than in canon, right?).
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 13633 Eamil, Sat, 2nd Feb '13 5:14:53 AM from Somewhere over there. Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Actually I forgot cause of the way Specular worded it but the Mikuru pictures were deleted, so his "stash" consists entirely of the Mikuru and Tsuruya lingerie pictures. So you're probably right either way. [lol]

And you're right about Yuki and Mikuru being much closer than in canon, since in canon Mikuru is really afraid of her. There's definitely some outright Les Yay going on between Mikuru and at least one other character, which I could see her returning if she ever actually thought about it, so I wouldn't be surprised if she felt that way about Yuki later even if she doesn't now.

Edit: For that matter, it was adult Mikuru in Disappearance that made me realize she was afraid of Yuki. I wonder how that would fit now.

edited 2nd Feb '13 5:21:40 AM by Eamil

 13634 Marq FJA, Sat, 2nd Feb '13 5:33:11 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Easy: Her superior had done some Neuro-Vault Memory Gambit on her. Remember the moment when Kyon explains his view on Stable Time Loops, and how she had some epiphanic realization from it? I suspect that that's the moment where her memories became unlocked either due to a pre-set trigger or via her superior's intervention.
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 13635 Eamil, Sat, 2nd Feb '13 7:43:40 AM from Somewhere over there. Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
I was thinking something along those lines but got tangled up in whether it was a partial or complete memory lock, when they'd unlock, and how much of those memories she'd need to do the things she did up until the point they'd unlock so I got a headache and dropped it. [lol]

[up], [up][up] I think it's a lot simpler than that. The version of Nagato that adult!Mikuru interacted with during Disappearance was still connected to the IDSE and was yet to go through a LOT of Character Development.

For kbdh!adult!Mikuru, it had to be tough seeing her friend again as a little more of the Artificial Human she once was. To give an old-school example, it's like reconciling the personalities of Himura Kenshin and Hitokiri Battousai from Rurouni Kenshin.


Re. Porn Stash

In any case, I don't think there is a trope more appropriated than that. Just to byname it, how about Ecchi Stash?

From an old post, what would you say of something like this as Haruhi's addition to Kyon's collection?

For Yuki, I'm not sure. I searched for a little bit and this see-through set works for her the best IMO (bonus art from the same fan artist*).

In Kanae's case, I'm a little afraid to seek. There is not much fanart of her (that's it, of Yasumi) and if I relax the searching parameters to include only the characteristics of her physique, who knows what I can find.


Re. Yuki-rin

I don't think someone other than Kyon calling her by her pet name would be have the same effect. As I see it, all this is the result of Kyon being overly formal with Yuki and Mikuru for way too long.

edited 2nd Feb '13 8:42:40 AM by Specular

"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
 13637 Filraen, Sat, 2nd Feb '13 11:49:49 AM from Monstro Town
Re. Mikuru afraid of Yuki:

Durandall set it already. For the fic to be canon compilant he made Mikuru being afraid of pre-KBDH events Yuki (IDSE connection, etc.).

Forgot the source or the words to find it, sorry.

edited 3rd Feb '13 3:17:49 AM by Filraen

 13638 Eamil, Sat, 2nd Feb '13 7:34:51 PM from Somewhere over there. Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
[up][up]That's a good point, about the differences in past Yuki.

 13639 Marq FJA, Sun, 3rd Feb '13 6:06:33 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
I don't think someone other than Kyon calling her by her pet name would be have the same effect. As I see it, all this is the result of Kyon being overly formal with Yuki and Mikuru for way too long.
Overly formal and being a Love Interest of them. Giving the increasing Les Yay between her and some of the other girls in the expanded SOS Brigade, I don't see it as farfetched for her to have at least somewhat similar loss-of-composure reactions, even if it doesn't involve impulsive jumping on to her target and snogging the hell out of them like with Kyon.

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 13640 Mad Kitsu, Sun, 3rd Feb '13 4:38:24 PM from Pursuiting a Trope-tan..
The Kitsune of Lunacy
...and somehow, I would actually want to see what would happen if Kyon said both "Yuki-rin" and "Mikuru-chan" in the same sentence, even though I'm sure that this subject had been brought up before. I could imagine that if he did so, they would each sense that the other is about to do what they themselves are going to do, and give a knowing glance to each other before nodding and do a synchronized glomping maneuver towards Kyon...

But then, that's just me, kitsu.

edited 3rd Feb '13 4:45:26 PM by MadKitsu

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@Mad Kitsu:

I don't think Kyon would try to invoke The Glomp like that, at least for now. One way to cause it could be if he's somehow compelled to do it, after all Hinamizawa and punishment games go hand in hand.

Haruhi : And your penalty will be calling all the SOS-Brigade members by pet names for the rest of the day!
Kyon : That doesn't sound too bad.
Koizumi : Feel free to call me "Icchan".
Kyon : I... didn't think this through. *notices someone staring at him* Yuki, what's wrong?

Now I wonder if Kyon is going to call Sasaki by a pet name at some point, maybe something along the likes of "Saki-chan" from Tsuruya's "'Saki-nyan" or perhaps something simple like "Sasaki-chan" (which could work as a contrast with her dislike of the diminutive honorific when it was Kunikida who used it).


Tropes question.

How about?

"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
 13642 Eamil, Thu, 7th Feb '13 1:24:31 PM from Somewhere over there. Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
[up]If that's not on the main Higurashi page too it probably should be, since the same is true of Rika's father.

@Eamil:

You're right. In fact, IINM that applies to several generations of the Fuurude family because of the bit about Rika being "the eighth generation of first-born daughters", otherwise the name should have been lost at some point between Hanyuu's daughter and Rika's generations.


Unrelated.

Here's a crazy idea that I think I mentioned a while ago: what if the Brigade uses Haruhi's power to bond Hanyuu (a data entity) to Nonoko in a way similar to the former's connection to Rika and with some of the mechanics of the working relationship between Kyon and his chibis? In that way, Imouto gets a fairly cautious Fairy Companion (is that a pun?) as part of her Magical Girl power-up to balance her Genki Girl personally and Nanoha-esque approach to things.

Probably, another motivation of mine for this line of thought is how Rika never resorted to Hanyuu's abilities to deal with stuff in canon. For example an invisible and intangible Spirit Advisor makes for an excellent spy to solve a mystery setting, don't you think?

Admittedly, I would like to see Nonoko shinning outside of a battlefield though. For example, at some point I wondered if adult!Mikuru is going to recruit Nonoko to play The Matchmaker for Miyoko and "Hakase-kun", who I'm guessing are Mikuru ancestors.
"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
 13644 Eamil, Thu, 7th Feb '13 9:45:32 PM from Somewhere over there. Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
[up]For starters, that's taking it as a given that Yuki referring to her as a "data entity" means that she's anything like Yuki and Kuyou, which I'm not sure holds water.

Also, I doubt Hanyuu would be interested. From what I remember it was less that Rika never resorted to having Hanyuu spy for her (this would have been a remarkably easy solution to centuries of torment) and more that Hanyuu didn't like being away from Rika for very long because Rika was the only person she could interact with (and the previous parenthetical doesn't hold true for Hanyuu acting of her own accord because she was a fatalist and didn't think it was possible to circumvent destiny).

 13645 Filraen, Fri, 8th Feb '13 2:42:16 AM from Monstro Town
But now Hanyuu should get the ability to freely change between data and physical form. Because, if anything, Kyon would ask Haruhi to give Hanyuu that ability (otherwise I'd raise the OOC flag).

edited 8th Feb '13 2:43:19 AM by Filraen

 13646 Eamil, Fri, 8th Feb '13 4:39:39 PM from Somewhere over there. Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
That's an awesome idea now that you mention it.

Now I'm curious if Hanyuu and Rika's sense sharing would work the same the other direction.
 
IMO, Hanyuu being "granted the ability to change between material and ghost/data at will" is one of the best oldies in the WMG pagenote .

Although, I can't help but wonder what Hanyuu will do with such power if she accepts it or if it's something she would want in the first? I mean, if she use it to stretch the legs and the occasional escapade to eat cream puffs and stuff, then I see no problems*. On the other hand, if the idea of Hanyuu getting a second chance in life is brought up in-universe, then it's a completely different story.

Hanyuu has spent a LOT of time as a ghost (more so because the "Groundhog Day" Loop) and I'm guessing she surely would have problems to adapt to a life style where she remains materialized for extended periods of time. Even with an Undead Tax Exemption and possibly a little of Applied Phlebotinum to hide her horns, I don't really see Hanyuu fitting in present society. Then again, I could be underestimating her adaptability.

Personal suggestion: If she can afford the time, going Back to School (so to speak) could be a good idea to learn how to conform to modern times and customs. Bonus Points if she becomes the New Transfer Student in Nonoko and Miyoko's class.


Now I'm curious if Hanyuu and Rika's sense sharing would work the same the other direction.

Canonically, I don't think so. When Hanyuu took a corporeal form in Matsuribayashi-hen nothing of the sort happened.

In K:BDH, Rika didn't seem to perceive when Yuki touched Hanyuu when they spoke for the first time nor displayed any reaction when the latter was eating a lunch.

My theory about that is only Hanyuu is sensitive to Rika's sensory input. I'm guessing the reason is because Hanyuu would quickly lose human perspective and sensibilities otherwise. For example, according to Wikipedia, "extended or forced sensory deprivation can result in extreme anxiety, hallucinations, bizarre thoughts, and depression".
"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
 13649 Eamil, Sun, 10th Feb '13 10:06:57 AM from Somewhere over there. Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
[up]I don't think you're right as to the reason, since in all the time Hanyuu's been a spirit Rika's the only person she's ever had this link to, or been able to interact with in any way.

 13650 Filraen, Mon, 11th Feb '13 11:38:59 AM from Monstro Town
Oldie it may be, but that WMG is relevant again as he SOS Brigade is finally back in Hinamizawa.

My point has always been: let it be Hanyuu's choice if she wants to keep existing as Hiamizawa's kami but don't deny her the chance of having a body: tasting sweets, talking with Rika without having to take some precautions (thanks for the invention of a hands-free headset) or something as simple as just giving Hanyuu the chance to talk to someone else.

Well, that was my idea to begin with, so I now imegine it the SOS Brigade and the whole group who traveled to Hinamizawa* staying side-by-side in front of Rika and Hanyuu who don't realize what's happening until Haruhi makes her wish. Yeah, something like that.

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