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Kyon: Big Damn Hero:

@Marq FJA:

Skynet is practically Kyon's span book and as such, it appears every time he takes notes for time-traveling.

About that, I'm curious if Kyon is going to spend the whole weekend in Hinamizawa and then redo it in Nishinomiya or if instead he is going to do it in a day-to-day basis or something. The former has the advantage of requiring just one time leap and makes easier for Kyon to keep track of the things he has to do, but the latter sounds more interesting to the reader.

Alternatively, the story could follow the events as chronologically as possible (objective time), switching between scenes in Nishinomiya and Hinamizawa, but I suspect that said approach is a lot more difficult to outline and write.


Re. Driving lessons.

Now that I think about it, I wonder what would Yuuto think of the Car Chase if he learns about it. First, I will try to make a few (hopefully educated) guesses:

Kyon apparently will drive a car (maybe Yuuto's) without a license (and after one or two driving lessons, tops) in pursuit of the yaks who will kidnap Sasaki. If Haruhi is present, then perhaps she will help him with her Mind over Matter powers to achieve otherwise difficult (or flat out impossible) maneuvers. And after recovering Sasaki, the three of them will probably need to evade the police, that likely will be attracted by the commotion, to avoid questioning.

If the above ends happening and Yuuto finds out, I think he will have mixed feelings about it. On one hand, such an incident exemplifies the kind of dangerous stuff Kyon and his friends are up to, "occupational hazards" so to speak. On the other hand, it's the kind of crazy stunt you have to berate your underage son for, not only because it's illegal but also because it's a very stupid thing to do without the proper training (which Kyon lacks, according Yuuto's PoV).

For some reason, I picture Yuuto telling Kyon something along the lines of:
Yuuto : OK, now if you must do things like that because of... your job, then I suppose it would be better if I teach you the right way to do it. Don't get the wrong idea, this is not a reward. No matter what path you walk in live, your responsibility will always be to return home in one piece, either here with us or with Tsuruya-chan not that far in the future.
Kyon : *bows* I understand father.
Yuuto : However...
Kyon : ?
Yuuto : One condition, your mother NEVER have to know about this.
Kyon : ...... You Can Say That Again.


@Filraen:

@Specular: Sasaki was surprised for the sun lowering down so for her it must be still morning.

I interpreted that line as Sasaki mixing up west and east. I mean, for her it was morning just a moment ago, so if the sun is low on the horizon in one direction (azimuth), said direction has to be roughly the east.

Re. Reports of My Death Were Greatly Exaggerated.

Recycling: IMO, it would be amazing if Ryouko gets her old body back to derail Miyuki's efforts.

But now you mention it, I wonder what kind of story she could come up with to explain her sudden departure and even more sudden return.


Re. Timeline.

(Re-2) Club Meeting: Koizumi and Kyouko now dating; Kuyou Suou joins the SOS Brigade

That's not entirely correct. Kuyou joined the Brigade as early as SB-5. In Re-2, her Relationship Upgrade with Kyon was what was officially recognized. How about "SOS Brigade welcomes Kuyou to the Big Damn Harem", "Kuyou's Relationship Upgrade is now official" or something of the sort?

Notice: I put "pit trap" in Title Case. I forgot it was a trope.


Random thought.

"It's 'fine'?" Haruhi asked. "It— Well, hmm...." She settled back into her seat, crossing her arms over her chest as she contemplated. "We can't let this grow out of hand, you know, since we're all struggling with figuring out how to get enough Kyon-time as it is. But then again ... she's been trying to find you for almost four years at this point, right?"

Something I didn't notice before: "Kyon-time" is now a thing, a Haruhi-sanctioned term [lol].

edited 11th Jan '13 9:14:44 AM by Specular

"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
 13552 Marq FJA, Fri, 11th Jan '13 9:23:25 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Skynet is practically Kyon's span book and as such, it appears every time he takes notes for time-traveling.
Yeah, but it also did some stuff independently, like automatically adding "appointments" to his schedule in a rather snarky-in-context response to someone (usually a girl; I think it was with Sasaki) asking if he has free time on X day (and he does, but lazy and distracted as he is, he'd would've tried delaying that meeting).

Something I didn't notice before: "Kyon-time" is now a thing, a Haruhi-sanctioned term [lol].
I predict that we will end up with Kyon coining "Haruhi-time" when the "harem" becomes a dual-centered network, with of course Haruhi connecting to Kyon, Kanae, Tsuruya, Mikuru (hey, all that Ho Yay in canon has to pay out at some point, right?), maybe Yuki (she does have to deal with Haruhi's subconscious urges now as they affect her powers, right? Remember the Breast Expansion request?), and hopefully Sasaki as well.

... I am now getting the mental image of Haruhi and Sasaki making out, with the entire universe momentarily being washed over by the harmonious feedback of their Reality Warping powers briefly brushing against each other while in such an emotionally charged state.

Everyone in the world will be confused as to why they feel strangely more cheerful and energetic than usual all of a sudden.

edited 11th Jan '13 9:29:03 AM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 13553 Filraen, Fri, 11th Jan '13 12:00:44 PM from Monstro Town
Re. Driving lessons:

Well, Kyon still has some time to recruit Yuuto as guest instructor for a training session.

Re. Kuyou and the SOS Brigade.

Kuyou was considered ally to the SOS Brigade as of SB-5, so I think the last chapter (Re-2) as her official Brigade join with Haruhi asking everybody about her.

edited 11th Jan '13 12:11:05 PM by Filraen

Re. Yuuto.

I'm not sure if it's a good idea to invite Yuuto to the training sessions. On one hand, breaking The Masquerade for him could be too much for him to handle. On the other hand, bringing an unaware Yuuto into Yuki's Pocket Dimension to only to make him teach Kyon how to drive and then delete his memory afterwards falls into What the Hell, Hero? territory to me.

Alternatively, Kyon could ask Yuuto to train him and Yuki, who would use her Awesomeness by Analysis to learn at an accelerated pace and then teach Kyon in the hyperbolic time chamber (potential result). In Yuuto's eyes, this probably would simply mean that he got two fast learning students.

Now if we talk about Shinobu instead of Yuuto...


Random thought.

Admittedly, this is just a silly line of thought, but when I noticed that the Brigade got a three-days long break I begun to wonder what kind of things proper of a Vacation Episode they could do in Hinamizawa. There are the festival, Kyon's birthday and babysitting the dreadcousins probably counts as extreme sport, but what else?

For some reason Kimodameshi was the very first idea I had, probably because the town makes for a perfect setting at night. The King's Game from Persona 4 also comes to mind, but the Brigade has one too many chaperones for that.

Any other ideas?
"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
 13555 Filraen, Sat, 12th Jan '13 2:32:33 PM from Monstro Town
I'm not sure if it's a good idea to invite Yuuto to the training sessions. On one hand, breaking The Masquerade for him could be too much for him to handle. On the other hand, bringing an unaware Yuuto into Yuki's Pocket Dimension to only to make him teach Kyon how to drive and then delete his memory afterwards falls into What the Hell, Hero? territory to me.

Alternatively, Kyon could ask Yuuto to train him and Yuki, who would use her Awesomeness by Analysis to learn at an accelerated pace and then teach Kyon in the hyperbolic time chamber (potential result). In Yuuto's eyes, this probably would simply mean that he got two fast learning students.

I'd really like Yuuto being who teaches Kyon driving, as it can be seen as the most important thing he can bring to Kyon's skillset and the father-son bonding.

There is a way I see the What the Hell, Hero?-ness can be lessened: if Yuuto gives permission to delete his own memories, either before or during training.

edited 14th Jan '13 6:45:42 AM by Filraen

 13556 Silver, Sat, 12th Jan '13 3:27:45 PM from under a sandstone rock
King's Game was around before Persona 4—the SOS Brigade played it already, in fact. Might not be so innocent this time around, though. >.>

edited 12th Jan '13 3:27:56 PM by Silver

 13557 Eamil, Sat, 12th Jan '13 3:57:54 PM from Somewhere over there. Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
[up][up]The problem with that is they have to be willing to live with the broken masquerade if he says no (in which case why bother doing it at all), and what reason does he have to actually agree to it?

Unrelated, I just realized that aside from this and Dungeon Keeper Ami every fanfic I like is also a Dead Fic or close to it (not updated in at least a year but apparently being worked on behind the scenes) and none of them have actually ended.

edited 12th Jan '13 3:58:16 PM by Eamil

Notice: I think I finished changing the references to chapter in the format "(name) arc (number)" to "Chapter (number)" in the trope pages of the story.


@Filraen:

I didn't mean to imply Yuuto won't be teaching Kyon. My proposed scenario is about Yuuto training both Kyon and Yuki in the real world. Of course, it's very likely that Yuki will learn a lot more quickly than Kyon, but thanks to the hyperbolic time chamber she would be able to help Kyon to revise and practice what they learned between Yuuto's lessons.

I think I said this before, but I'm getting the impression that Yuki will become Yuuto's favorite daughter-in-law (so to speak) in the long run.


@Silver:

I completely forgot about that. IINM, the scene in question is not in the novels, which could explain why I didn't remember it.

BTW, does K:BDH follow the novels' version of Remote Island Syndrome? IIRC, at some point it was mentioned that Nonoko had to stay at home at the time and I think Kyon said something about getting drunk during the trip, but I'm not really sure about it.

Might not be so innocent this time around, though. >.>

Why the very first thing I thought of when I read that was Kyon and Sasaki kissing for the first time because "the King's word is law"?


Unrelated.

Now I think about it, I updated the PDF version of the story at some undetermined point of this week but I forgot to say a thing about it tongue

Here.
"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
 13559 Filraen, Sat, 12th Jan '13 5:46:30 PM from Monstro Town
Kyon and Yuki may be against playing King's Game. It isn't like Yuki won't like it (she may want to repeat the performance from last time) but because Hanyuu will be watching.

Yuuto: Is it too much from me to trust Yuuto to accept being part of Kyon's masquerade? Specially when after understanding that, for all his supernatural equipment and allies, Kyon still needs his expertise.
 13560 Jason Ulloa, Sat, 12th Jan '13 7:07:18 PM from Nowhere special Relationship Status: I know
RE: timeline - I thought it was the next day when everyone teleported to Hinamizawa. Looking at it again, I guess I might've been mistaken. Anyway, I made a small change to clarify Kuyou's harem-member status. It now reads "Kuyou Suou officially joins the SOS Brigade/Big Damn Harem."

edited 12th Jan '13 7:07:56 PM by JasonUlloa

Re. Hanyuu.

Suggested course of action: Attack Her Weak Point.

Now that I think about it, Hanyuu will soon meet at least two new people to interact with. I just hope Yuki remembered to warn Ryouko and Kuyou about Hanyuu. If they detect an unknown data entity close to the Brigade, they could assume she is an enemy or at least potentially dangerous.

Personally, the meeting I'm looking forward the most is Kanae and Rika/Hanyuu. Their Back Stories are just too similar IMO.


Re. Yuuto.

It's not a problem of trust. It's just that simply being privy to certain things about the Brigade may be too much for Yuuto to handle. For example, just knowing that an Earth-Shattering Kaboom is well within the limits of Kuyou's power is quite a paradigm shift.

Alternatively, they could give Yuuto a simplified version, something less likely to upset his understanding of the universe.

Recycled example:

How about telling them about the supernatural without revealing its full magnitude? Maybe something along the lines of "the members of the brigade have some special abilities and there are several groups of bad people interested in their powers", in other words, making the Brigade look like a group of ESPers who joined the Tsuruya-tachi for protection. In that way, the Brigade could show a limited version of their capabilities (Haruhi's TK, Kanae's Jumps and Koizumi's Telepathy) to Kyon's parents (and possibly Haruhi and Kanae's) as the first step of many in preparation for a full disclosure in the future.

And in Yuki's case, her "declassified" power would be to ability create the hyperbolic time chamber.
"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
 13562 Filraen, Sun, 13th Jan '13 5:09:04 AM from Monstro Town
Alternatively, they could give Yuuto a simplified version, something less likely to upset his understanding of the universe.

I agree. If it worked for Miyokonote , Yanagimotonote  and some members of the Tsuruya familynote , it should work for Yuuto.

edited 13th Jan '13 1:30:28 PM by Filraen

 13563 Mad Kitsu, Sun, 13th Jan '13 5:17:50 AM from Pursuiting a Trope-tan..
The Kitsune of Lunacy
@ Specular's new avvie: Squee! That is just too cute! Kanae / Yasumi is just...

(calms down)

In any case, if that sort of thing is used to slowly introduce him into the Masquerade, why not do the same with the rest of the Hinamizawa cast, with Rika helping out in how to break it to them in the right way. I think that they can be trusted with the simplified version, and it would definitely help out in the long run, as they won't have to hide the small stuff from them.

For that matter, I'm personally going to like seeing what Sasaki's reaction will be once she get back and discovers that it is still Monday, her going to Kitago and noticing that the date that everyone is writing down is the same day that she left from to go to the past. I can easily see her trying to ask her mother about the date, as well as checking the local newspaper and Tv news report, all in a attempt to figure out the problem, only to realize that Kyon's explanation(Time Travel) is the only possible way that this can all make sense. And since teleportation was also mentioned, and is considered a requirement for Time Travel to work right...

I do believe that her mindset will change quite a bit after that, and if Kyon and the others are there to help her sort this out, then the disarming of her Power Nullifier will go just as planned, kitsu.

Edit: Gah!!! I've been Ninja'd, kitsu!!!

edited 13th Jan '13 5:19:11 AM by MadKitsu

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 13564 Filraen, Sun, 13th Jan '13 5:32:50 AM from Monstro Town
[up] Because right now only Yuuto's skills are required. Also, why bring the Hinamizawa cast into the masquerade?
@Filraen:

I would need to check, but AFAIR Miyoko didn't Time Travel. Future!Kyon and adult!Mikuru simply escorted her home and asked her to deliver Altair* to Kyon the next day.

Speaking about her, why am I visualizing a very unamused Miyoko in the near future?

Regarding Shinobu, I wonder why exactly she is so unconcerned about people teleporting around in her presence. It makes me curious about her past. Maybe she knows about the supernatural from a source other than the Brigade (or perhaps not, if you consider how deeply-rooted is Time Travel in the plot) or maybe she is just that worldly-wise. Interesting to me in any case.


@Mad Kitsu:

Current avvie's source (full size, 6241◊3411, 6.9M*)

Actually, I think the Brigade might be able to convince Sasaki about the feasibility of Time Travel (or perhaps about the supernatural in general) during their visit to Hinamizawa.

About the Internal Reveal of the events from Higurashi to its protagonists, I think is a BAD idea. They could start to remember things they would rather forget, which I think is the reason why Rika seems to have remained quiet about it all those years.

edited 13th Jan '13 8:40:36 AM by Specular

"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
@Specular and Filraen: I think you'd both be right. Specular is correct in that Miyoko didn't time travel, but Filraen is correct in listing her as she was told of the existence of time travel, and had decent evidence to support it in front of her(Kyon standing in front of her just fine, while he was also lying in the hospital with a gunshot wound).

Maybe Tsuruya got her blase-seeming outward appearance from Shinobu? I'm talking about how much weird stuff would happen around Tsuruya before she was brought in to the brigade, and she would just shrug it all off.

And weren't they informing Sasaki of the fact that she time traveled right in front of Mion? Mion had to have walked up during part of the conversation, as she asks Sasaki about Saturday.

edited 13th Jan '13 12:11:01 PM by thedarkfreak

 
 13567 Filraen, Sun, 13th Jan '13 1:28:29 PM from Monstro Town
[up][up]

Re. Miyoko:

Point, but I stand corrected about the important part (Miyoko now knowing the existence of time traveling). Edited the relevant post to reflect that ([up][up][up][up][up])

[up]

Re. Tsuruya:

I think it's just a result of her being raised to be the heir of the Tsuruya family: as much as she needs to have a favorable disoisition as family head (explicitly mentioned as part in-fic) she needs to be able a bit inquisitive (to know Kyon "is tangled up in bigger, stranger things" ~ HAB-4) and a clear head to keep big changes in stride.

edited 13th Jan '13 1:31:31 PM by Filraen

Actually, now that I've had time to reflect on it, I don't know if she traveled through time. She might at least have teleported(and adult!Mikuru would have helped with that)

When we first get to Miyoko's perspective after the shooting, this is the opening paragraph:

She was shaken from the experience, and horrified — terrified, really — that her friend, that ever-reliable Kyon, had been injured trying to do her a favor. After the initial jarring rush of being hauled through the night air at unreasonable speeds, and then being carried through a series of explosions in terrible variety, Miyoko finally found herself holding a strange, heavy metal cylinder, while that same ever-reliable person — though, dressed differently, evidently not wounded from a gun-shot, tried to explain things to her.

So...to me, it's rather unclear what the "series of explosions" was, but I doubt that they would have had to teleport/travel through time multiple times. And it seems like Kyon just carried her to wherever while roof-hopping, anyway.
 
@thedarkfreak:

And weren't they informing Sasaki of the fact that she time traveled right in front of Mion? Mion had to have walked up during part of the conversation, as she asks Sasaki about Saturday.

Mion didn't take Kyon's words seriously ("school must be really stressful for you lately"). His Cassandra-fu is simply stronger than that tongue.

So...to me, it's rather unclear what the "series of explosions" was, but I doubt that they would have had to teleport/travel through time multiple times. And it seems like Kyon just carried her to wherever while roof-hopping, anyway.

I agree. I chalked the "series of explosions" thing to the "cross-temporal loops" that Yuki mentioned to Mikuru that day. I'm guessing that delivering Altair to Miyoko wasn't a walk in the park for Kyon and adult!Mikuru.


Re. Tsuruya.

I think it's a little of both.

As the heiress, Tsuruya was probably trained to notice subtly hints about shady business and to keep quiet about it if it's something that she isn't meant to get involved with. A "don't mind our business, we don't mind yours" kind of philosophy. Maybe that's the reason why she caught on the fact the Brigade's situation was in a whole different level of "shady".

Still, knowing when to keep one's nose out of something is not the same than handling the supernatural with such nonchalance after learning about it.

Maybe Tsuruya got her blasť-seeming outward appearance from Shinobu? I'm talking about how much weird stuff would happen around Tsuruya before she was brought in to the brigade, and she would just shrug it all off.

I like that idea. But now the natural question would be why Shinobu is so casual about it the first place. At the very least, the little bit that Shinobu revealed about her past to Haruhi in LL-6 doesn't seem to suggest the involvement of the supernatural until that point in her life.


Somewhat related.

I don't know if it's just me but now I'm curious about Shinobu and Tsuruya's shared past. It's just too easy to imagine Shinobu as a Big Sister Mentor to Tsuruya even if the former is nominally the latter's servant. I wonder if there is a trope for the relationship between The Wise Prince in training and his wiser retainer/advisor.

Edit: typps.

edited 14th Jan '13 3:40:43 AM by Specular

"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
 13570 Mad Kitsu, Tue, 15th Jan '13 6:21:06 AM from Pursuiting a Trope-tan..
The Kitsune of Lunacy
My wager is that Shinobu is more than she appears... (I'm personally leaning toward the "She's actually a Spanner" theory myself, but that's just me with the WMG hat on, kitsu...)

Edit: Then again, it could just be that the people that she managed to piss off in her Backstory were not all the normal sort of people, and that some of them were supernatural in origin, which led to how things had happened as they did.

...actually, that doesn't quite fit either. Hmmm...

edited 15th Jan '13 6:30:32 AM by MadKitsu

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@Mad Kitsu:

I had a similar WMG once, but with Tsuruya's mother as the time-traveler whose (perhaps staged but unavoidable) death was a predetermined event.


Characters' page.

Something I just noticed. The characters' page of the story only have a description/info for Shinobu's entry. The rest of the characters still have the placeholders from the time the page was created*.

I will see if I can come up with something, but most definitely it won't happen soon.


Random thoughts.

Pair the Spares/Ships That Pass In The Night: Tsuruya Kenshiro ◊ Sasaki's mom. I must admit this is mostly because the idea of Tsuruya and Sasaki as the older and younger sister, respectively, is kind of interesting to me.

Unrelated: I wonder if it should be a trope for Blended Family.


Random pics.

Official art of Sasaki in a swimsuit (kind of skimpy though) and Kuyou, Sasaki and Kyouko as chibis (cute!).
"And I'd learned long before that if you can't do the impossible, you have to try the improbable." — Max Hardberger
 13572 Filraen, Tue, 15th Jan '13 8:21:47 PM from Monstro Town
Re: Character profiles.

I had some (very) rough drafts written for Kyon, Haruhi and Mikuru for some time. I'm sure Mikuru's is lacking something in the middlenote :

Kyon: Deadpan Snarker extraordinarie, Secret Keeper of various supernatural factions, survivor and solver of an apocalypse or three and the holder of Haruhi's leash. He is forced to follow his own threat of breaking the masquerade to Haruhi to the IDSE after learning Yuki is slated for deletion. Now he has to deal with a Haruhi who knows her own powers, an unknown Mysterious Waif who appears to know him and the impending threat of the IDSE while still trying to keep test marks acceptable enough for his parents.

Haruhi: The SOS Brigade Supreme Commander's wish of finding supernatural beings becomes true the day she receives a phone call of Yuki's home phone leading to John Smith revealing himself. However, things isn't like she expected them to be: time travelers being on a mission of understanding why the path to a further past is blocked while armed with several heavily enforced restrictions, humanoid interfaces who are in a similar mission but also with the threat of being deleted at any time, espers trying desesperately to save the world from the fickle whims of her own power. Now Haruhi must deal with all of that, her very volatile powers and the possibility of molding Kyon to her own wishes even without meaning it while still trying to "overloading the world with fun", as the full name of her brigade says.

Mikuru: Of all the Brigade members Mikuru is the least affected... at first. She still is to keep observing Haruhi almost without information of the mission parameters and objectives. However, she doesn't know her direct superior is an elder version of herself. How will Mikuru grow to eventually become her older self?

edited 20th Jan '13 3:22:45 PM by Filraen

 13573 Jason Ulloa, Wed, 16th Jan '13 6:42:14 PM from Nowhere special Relationship Status: I know
Official art of Sasaki in a swimsuit (kind of skimpy though)

Looks almost like Sasaki's cosplaying as Super Sonico with those headphones on.
 13574 Eamil, Thu, 17th Jan '13 6:32:41 AM from Somewhere over there. Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Updated the Kindle version with the current version of the new chapter. I took my time hoping that I'd catch it if he made any more changes.

Rewatched a few episodes of Melancholy, including the premiere. Kyon's line about "the laws of physics putting a damper on things" really made me laugh when I thought to K:BDH, and thought about both Mikuru and Sasaki putting what they believe to be laws of reality against what Kyon's saying, and Kyon wins. (Actually, in a way, I suppose that goes for Haruhi, too.)

edited 17th Jan '13 9:44:27 PM by thedarkfreak

 
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