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Katawa Shoujo: HNNNGGGGGGG!!!:

[up][up][up]That was the first ending I got in the full version of the game (which really only excludes Manly Picknic, as that was available before). Though the only reason for that was that I like Misha a lot more than Shizune.

Like much of Shizune's route, most of the explanations are in the subtext, between the lines. The choice you make has a stronger impact on indirect feelings, trust, and other subtle details, rather than the action in itself.

Her father is one of the clearest characters you're meant to hate, I think. If you hate him, he's done his purpose, more or less. Sadly, I didn't like him (as a character) because that was pretty much all he was.

edited 27th Jun '12 11:47:06 AM by Feather7603

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 4027 Enthryn, Wed, 27th Jun '12 11:57:11 AM from Earth Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Yeah, Shizune's father was just annoying, and he didn't really make much sense as a character. I wish they'd made him more subtly unlikeable; it would have been enough to have him simply ignore Shizune or make some remarks that sound resentful of her. This way was too blunt.
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The bluntness didn't really help simply because the rest of the route was much more subtle. In a different work it might have worked better, but not here.
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 4029 Saiga, Wed, 27th Jun '12 8:45:41 PM from Der Mensch ist doch ein Augentier Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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Really? I was really annoyed with Misha. Seems like she's the cause of a lot of problems in Shizune's route.
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Wirf ein warmes Licht auf mein Ungesicht,
Sag mir ich bin nicht alleine
 4030 Enthryn, Wed, 27th Jun '12 8:48:39 PM from Earth Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Eh... Misha actually has a personality beyond "generic jerk to add backstory angst", and her behavior, while admittedly a little annoying at times, at least has a reasonable explanation behind it. I don't mind characters who cause problems for other characters; I mind characters who lack subtlety and depth in addition to being annoying.

edited 27th Jun '12 8:48:53 PM by Enthryn

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 4031 Saiga, Wed, 27th Jun '12 8:49:38 PM from Der Mensch ist doch ein Augentier Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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Which is pretty much Misha, to me.
Morgenstern ach scheine auf das Antlitz mein,
Wirf ein warmes Licht auf mein Ungesicht,
Sag mir ich bin nicht alleine
 4032 Enthryn, Wed, 27th Jun '12 8:54:02 PM from Earth Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
What about Misha's history with Shizune and everything related to that? That's a whole lot more depth than Shizune's father has. Even if her actions aren't subtle, her character is, at least a little.
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 4033 Saiga, Wed, 27th Jun '12 8:55:48 PM from Der Mensch ist doch ein Augentier Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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Finding out about that just made her more annoying, really. Sure she's better than Jigoro, but that's not saying much.
Morgenstern ach scheine auf das Antlitz mein,
Wirf ein warmes Licht auf mein Ungesicht,
Sag mir ich bin nicht alleine
I don't like Misha, but I wouldn't call her a flat character or a jerk. I mean, she's trying not to be.

Granted, she still doesn't come off as interesting to me.

 4035 Saiga, Wed, 27th Jun '12 9:11:39 PM from Der Mensch ist doch ein Augentier Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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I'm not saying she was a jerk, more like a pest.

It annoyed me a lot when Hisao said he liked her while I'm sitting here like "Noooooooo I do not". Should have given us an option for that.
Morgenstern ach scheine auf das Antlitz mein,
Wirf ein warmes Licht auf mein Ungesicht,
Sag mir ich bin nicht alleine
I suppose. Her being a pest mostly just led to me tuning her out. Frankly, I'd have liked more Shizune in, you know, Shizune's route. She had enough issues. Okay, sure, it developed the plot device character but it's not her route.

 4037 Saiga, Wed, 27th Jun '12 9:47:56 PM from Der Mensch ist doch ein Augentier Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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I agree that Shizune's route could use more Shizune. I think I spent more of Act 4 helping Misha with her problems than I did with Shizune, and I just didn't care.

It took me like eight and a half hours to get to Shizune's good end. Is that slow?
Morgenstern ach scheine auf das Antlitz mein,
Wirf ein warmes Licht auf mein Ungesicht,
Sag mir ich bin nicht alleine
I think Misha is one of those people you need to have patience to like. She's a bit restive or refractory, but not because of stubbornness.

And over all routes, I'd say she's Hisao's best friend at the school. She doesn't have an ulterior motive (she does have the motive of wanting him to join the council, but it's hardly ulterior from her part, and it doesn't tie into her being a friend), and she doesn't just react to Hisao's actions like the other characters who aren't Shizune.
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Das kann doch nicht sein!
It annoyed me a lot when Hisao said he liked her while I'm sitting here like "Noooooooo I do not". Should have given us an option for that.
Well, you are not Hisao, you know.

Really, Misha was the only really good thing about Shizune's route. I never liked Shizune and this didn't really change when I read her route. Hell, without Misha and Jigoro, I'd probably fall asleep half-way. Those two were the best things about the route.

edited 27th Jun '12 11:31:04 PM by Nyarly

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 4040 Saiga, Wed, 27th Jun '12 11:34:24 PM from Der Mensch ist doch ein Augentier Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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I know I'm not Hisao, but I was trying to play the game as I would and shit like that would break immersion.
Morgenstern ach scheine auf das Antlitz mein,
Wirf ein warmes Licht auf mein Ungesicht,
Sag mir ich bin nicht alleine
Das kann doch nicht sein!
If that were an issue for me...

...Oh god, I'd thrown out of Fate/Stay Night like a hot potato.
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Huuuh. I liked Misha more than Shizune. So I guess it's a matter of taste.

@Sabbo: Oh right. THAT.

Nyarly: Well, minus all the Misha focus Shizune probably could have gotten some better development.

Better in what way? It would take a lot more for me to like her even a little more, more than the time Misha took up. And when given the choice of using the time to develop one character all the time, or two characters half the time, I will almost always pick the latter, even if it would mean less time for a character I like.

Nyarly, is that Koakuma?
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Better as in more than a realization that she takes people for granted sometimes. I mean, when you get down to it, what actually changed with her and what did we learn? Shizune is pushy and her family is weird. These facts are sort of connected. Probably. Oh and Misha loves her but Shizune doesn't reciprocate. The end. We don't really know much more about her than we did before. If she'd gotten more focus it might have been a better story. If they want to tell a story about Misha then have that be separate.

If you summarise it like that, you can make any route sound like nothing much happened. The only one who actually changed in any significant degree was Emi. You could make a case for Hanako, but she essentially just came out of her shell a bit. What did you find out about the characters? Well, Lilly has troubles with her family, Hanako doesn't like being treated like a princess and you found out why, Emi has issues with closeness and dependability, and Rin doesn't like that she's a nutjob.
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Not much needed to happen with Lilly. Hisao changed more than she did. Jugging characters worked there. Emi did have actual issues and did change and frankly I didn't really like Hanako's route much either. It was too short. However, even apart from the amount of change I felt that Shizune didn't get enough focus. Hisao didn't seem to either.

And I didn't read the last route because she looked boring.

edited 28th Jun '12 5:15:07 PM by Arha

 4048 Crinias, Thu, 28th Jun '12 7:10:05 PM from The Bleak Academy Relationship Status: Mu
Because she looked boring? That's just an excuse, Arha, that's judging on a first appearance. At least give a try.

Eh. Rin's route wasn't really more interesting than what it appeared in the first chapter. If you don't like that, I don't think you're going to like the rest. I didn't. In this case, looks boring = is boring.
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 4050 Saiga, Fri, 29th Jun '12 12:14:59 AM from Der Mensch ist doch ein Augentier Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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Yeah, after I completed Act 1 I could already tell that I had no interest in doing Rin's route. I will for the sake of completion, but I'll do it last.
Morgenstern ach scheine auf das Antlitz mein,
Wirf ein warmes Licht auf mein Ungesicht,
Sag mir ich bin nicht alleine
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