Duplicate Trope: Grandma What Massive Hotness You Have

Grandma, What Massive Hotness You Have! is exactly the same as Silver Fox: an attractive elderly person. Both tropes mention that they are applicable to both genders (although the former puts emphasis on women and the latter on men), and both mention that the characters can look attractive despite or because of their age. Although Silver Fox draws the age line for "old" at 40 whereas Grandma, What Massive Hotness You Have! draws it at 50, and Silver Fox puts more emphasis on the hair color, there's not enough distinction between the two.

There are a few overlapping examples, including:

• Joseph Joestar from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
• Magneto from X-Men
• Soldier 76 from Overwatch
• Ezio from Assassin's Creed: Revelations
• A number of characters from Metal Gear

I propose a merge between the two tropes.

Yeah, I can see how they can be overly similar.

I vote that we merge into Silver Fox. That title's more concise.

I agree.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 26th 2019 at 1:35:01 PM

Merge

Let's do it.

Agreeing with the merge.

There seems to be an agreement on this. Silver Fox has fewer wicks (433, opposed to 586), but I agree it's a better name because it's more concise. Make Grandma, What Massive Hotness You Have! a redirect?

I think it should be a turned into a redirect to Silver Fox, as should its own redirects.

Where does the name Silver Fox come from, though? I support a merge, but I'm curious about the name.

As far as I know, "silver fox" is an already-existing term for an attractive old person (typically a man). "Silver" refers to their gray hair, whereas "fox" refers to "foxy", i.e. "sexy". Plus, there's an actual breed of foxes called "silver fox".

I see. In that case, merge into Silver Fox.

Since older ladies dye rather than letting their hair grey out, the name Silver Fox doesn't really fit there.

Tropes Are Flexible.

That depends on the culture and the specific character. Helen Mirren, who is pretty much treated as the Trope Codifier for Grandma, What Massive Hotness You Have!, usually makes appearances with grey hair.

Edited by Snicka on Aug 27th 2019 at 2:19:57 PM

Silver Fox has strong male connotations, but merging them would allow for any gender...

However, females are already mentioned in the description of Silver Fox.

There seems to be a consensus. How do we proceed? Do we have to make it formal somehow?

Then I suggest we rephrase Laconic.Silver Fox to "An attractive older person, often with greying hair."

Done that.

Do we need to create a Single Proposition Crowner (basically, Yes vs No for merging Grandma, What Massive Hotness You Have! into Silver Fox)? Or can we start the merging based on the consensus in the comments?

It might be worth going with Page Action instead, to provide a choice of which name to use for the merged trope.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 29th 2019 at 6:25:22 AM

I'll start one up.

Awesome, thanks.

Guys, Silver Fox is explicitly a male gendered slang. That definition is the top Google result that comes in the box defining the term.

So this proposed move is in all kinds of violation of the rule we abide by real world definitions of pre-existing terms.

Edited by CryptidProductions on Aug 31st 2019 at 6:04:36 AM

Your link is titled "silver fox or Silverfox or silver vixen". The term "vixen" means "female fox", so that 'top result' is implicitly allowing for distaff gender usage.

Is that even a rule?

Edited by bitemytail on Aug 31st 2019 at 8:54:06 AM