Not Thriving: Vulcan Has No Moon

The problems with this trope are threefold:

• One, it's simply not thriving (28 wicks for a trope from March 2011), to the point where the Trope Namer itself isn't listed as an example on the page despite being an example in the description.
• Two, the "violation of canon" version that provides the trope's name is probably a separate trope altogether, because it is functionally completely different from the "scientifically impossible" version of the trope.
• Three, the trope name itself is misleading. The trope is about Vulcan having a moon when it shouldn't have one, not about Vulcan not having a moon.

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Should we rename this, cut it, or send it to the Trope Launch Pad?

Keep but rename.

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I vote to keep but rename.

Trope may not be overloaded, but it's got enough examples to not cut it.

I don't think the reason why planetary bodies are shown in the skies is relevant. What is relevant is that they shouldn't be there.

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It’s also important if they are missing. Keep but hell if I know what to rename it to.

I suppose this is why I started the discussion. I have absolutely no idea what the new name should be.

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Planetary Continuity Error maybe?

For a pad from which launch off for name brainstorming, what about Improbably Located Space Object?

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Space Filler or Sky Filler?

edited 3rd Dec '17 10:40:45 AM by AnotherDuck

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That one doesn’t make sense.

I don’t know, seems clunky and might have problems with actual in story planetary bodies.

edited 3rd Dec '17 10:46:00 AM by Memers

The trope is just filling the space (or sky, as it's frequently seen from a planet surface) with stuff that makes for pretty pictures, even if it doesn't belong there.

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edited 3rd Dec '17 7:23:02 PM by Memers

The suggestions in 10 don't seem to address the improbability of the objects being where they are shown. When there are no restrictions to what a creator can put in the sky because it's not violating any physical laws or canon, that could probably go under Alien Sky. If I understand correctly this trope is specifically for Nonsensical Objects In The Sky.

Error In The Sky? (Pun of "terror in the sky")

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Improbable Gravitational Pull? The objects should affect one another but they don't act like you'd expect.

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I think Error In The Sky works.

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We still need to discuss the "this is technically two tropes" concern.

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^ I am inclined to keep both causes together as one trope as there can be overlap when a non-canon object appears impossibly close in the sky. Some kind of soft split may be in order.

edited 6th Dec '17 10:27:35 AM by eroock

Yet in the case of Vulcan, the only issue is that it's a violation of canon.

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That is the case in the animated series and the reboot movie yeah. the original cut and concept art of the Star Trek The Motion Picture [1] [2] however not really, its freaken huge, in addition to the fact that they moved it to seemingly orbiting a gas giant.

Yeah we likely have two trope here.

• Planetary Continuity Error
• Objects In The Sky May Be Farther Than They Appear.

And the fact that objects might fall in just one category or the other is limiting it in addition to the name sounding like Planetary Continuity Error.

edited 7th Dec '17 8:54:19 AM by Memers

Wouldn't the factual error one be Artistic License - Astronomy?

I mean under "relative planetary placement." If we want to separate that into this new thing rather than merge, what about Improper Perceived Planetary Placement

edited 7th Dec '17 9:06:04 AM by WaterBlap

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That is an index / supertrope to all astronomical errors so yes it would be a subtrope of that, the current trope is already that.

edited 7th Dec '17 9:07:57 AM by Memers

That doesn't quite address my comment. I added something that you may have missed while typing.

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The problem is often not that it's a factual error, it's that it's a canonical error.

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