They all should be tropeless Useful Notes style pages IMO. No reason to enforce a double standard.
On pages like Creator.Magnetic Video, should we remove all the entries about home video releases again, or just the notes underneath the movies' titles?
edited 17th Jan '17 9:25:32 AM by dsneybuf
The problem isn't just limited to home video distributors. Hulu seems to be currently being used as an index for all (or, more accurately, a random subset) of the works they've ever shown.
Frankly, I think indexing for Hulu and Netflix and the like should be strictly limited to originals. (Things they actually created.)
Distributors for other media should probably be looked at as well. Video games, comics, books/magazines.
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.I agree with the above on Hulu and Netflix, but I'd like to know what distributor means in the context of video games. Is it the something like Steam or the console a game is on? Because knowing that is legitimately useful (and expected) information to present to readers. Or does it mean retailers like Game Stop or Target that sell games? Outside of some exclusives (iirc Xenoblade Chronicles was a Game Stop exclusive) that info is largely worthless.
edited 16th Feb '17 11:47:33 PM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?The problem with Steam in particular is that the vast majority of 2010s PC games are on Steam, making it pointless as an index.
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The Home Video Distributors index has several pages that go way beyond describing the company and providing a works list. They have multiple folders full of catalog numbers for each individual release, technical specs, differences in packaging, and more. Some of them have several hundred edits in their history, which I suspect doesn't make the site backups happy. They look like they belong to a very different wiki. And it looks like some of the tropers making most of those edits have known for years that the content belongs elsewhere, and yet.
Some other related threads:
- Not Tropeworthy for Creator.Walt Disney Home Video and Not Tropeworthy for Creator.MGMCBS Home Video went further regarding issues with some pages of this sort.
- There was also Walt Disney Home Video Cleanup which stalled.
- Not home video but similar: Do we really need a list of what games are available on digital distribution services?
- Needs Help: Creator.Magnetic Video — locked per 2018 New Year purge, but crowner was 80% in favor of "Make the page a Useful Notes page" (12:3, with 6:7 for "Cut the page.")
- And, of course, this thread right here!
So here's a list I compiled of pages with The Problem, but of course could be more:
- Allied Artists Video
- Avid Home Entertainment
- The CBS/Fox Company
- Cineplex Odeon Video
- International Video Entertainment
- Magnetic Video
- MCA Video Distributing Corporation
- Media Home Entertainment
- MGM/CBS Home Video
- Paramount Home Video
- PBS Home Video
- Roadshow Home Video
- Sony Pictures Home Entertainment
- ThornEMIVideo.US Library (also that namespace???) made cutlist request, moved titles only to Thorn EMI Video
- VCI Home Video
- Vestron Video
- Vista Home Video
- Warner Home Video
- Wizard Video
- Worldvision Home Video
Do people still agree there's a problem, and if so, what's to be done— for instance, keep the descriptions and purge folders full of "Note:"?
Edited by ImmiThrax on Aug 19th 2020 at 8:54:55 AM
Covered in Star Wars Cleanup, Deadpool, and Web Video sand. I'm not coarse and rough, but I get everywhere.ThornEMIVideo.US Library is a subpage of Creator.Thorn EMI Video, but it's a completely unnecessary split. There's nowhere near enough content on both pages to be near the page size limit, and the pages for their UK and Australian libraries were never made. So those two can be merged.
Anyway, as for the actual topic, I honestly don't see why these pages aren't formatted like every other index. Why do we care about, say, the catalog number for these films, or which trailers were on each video release?
Ohh, so THAT'S what that's about. Moved the titles from ThornEMIVideo.US Library over to Creator.Thorn EMI Video, then sent the former to the cutlist. It had titles listed multiple times, documenting their catalog numbers.
This ain't a cinema history wiki so... we don't.
Covered in Star Wars Cleanup, Deadpool, and Web Video sand. I'm not coarse and rough, but I get everywhere.Why do we have any of these pages, anyway? These companies are footnotes at best and seem to solely exist for some weird mutation of Auto-Erotic Troping.
Distributors are typically either arms for already existing companies (e.g. Walt Disney Home Video) or third-parties that aren't content creators themselves. Either way they don't deserve pages.
Edited by Karxrida on Aug 17th 2020 at 3:22:59 AM
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?... some people went to all that trouble to make pages in Creator for things that don't actually create anything?
Yeah, that kinda changes my opinion from trim to CUT THEM ALL, and maybe have ONE useful note about home video distribution.
Covered in Star Wars Cleanup, Deadpool, and Web Video sand. I'm not coarse and rough, but I get everywhere.Technically they made the actual physical product, but that's an extremely pedantic bit of semantics.
I'm surprised we never went for the Useful Notes route when the issue first came up all those years ago. The topic is at least worthy of that kind of page.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?My guess as to why these pages exist is VHS history enthusiasts from some other wiki found out about us and proceeded to copy and paste the contents of their wiki onto ours. There's always people from other websites not really getting the point or the rules of this wiki trying to put stuff here that we don't need, like the one time someone tried to recreate the character sheets for a couple of games that were cut by the P5. The fact that those character sheets had no wicks (and no main page) but over a thousand inbounds says everything. Like, how does Magnetic Video have over 2,500 inbounds?
Yeah, kind of a look at "how that tropeaple work gets into your hands" type of thing.
And 660 edits. I don't know exactly how the edit history indexing backup thingy works, but that sounds like a lot of bloat to me.
Covered in Star Wars Cleanup, Deadpool, and Web Video sand. I'm not coarse and rough, but I get everywhere.It also has a Trivia page for some reason. I'm pretty sure Creator pages don't get those.
EDIT: I checked out the Wikipedia article for Magnetic Video and our version dwarfs it by a ridiculous margin. Whoever edits this stuff should have just put their energy into that.
Edited by Karxrida on Aug 17th 2020 at 3:41:41 AM
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?Crowner created so we can do it all fancy and official.
Covered in Star Wars Cleanup, Deadpool, and Web Video sand. I'm not coarse and rough, but I get everywhere.I don't think a crowner will be much use. We'd have to go back to TRS to get more eyes on the issue.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?Is TRS usable for multiple pages on an index? I thought it was for individual pages/tropes. (If it can be for this, though, hi mod who got the holler we'll make it there...?)
Edited by ImmiThrax on Aug 17th 2020 at 7:40:12 AM
Covered in Star Wars Cleanup, Deadpool, and Web Video sand. I'm not coarse and rough, but I get everywhere.It can be used for a group of pages depending on the situation. Though maybe going to Ask The Tropers to bring attention to this thread would make more sense.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?I've seen "going to ATT" done before exactly for that! I'm so unfamiliar with TRS that didn't think it was a real option for this.
Put a holler on ATT and a mod holler for the hook.
Edited by ImmiThrax on Aug 18th 2020 at 11:30:04 AM
Covered in Star Wars Cleanup, Deadpool, and Web Video sand. I'm not coarse and rough, but I get everywhere.Paging the most recent contributors and page-creators of those pages: ~ryanasaurus0077, ~themisterfree, ~Mr Servo Retro.
Covered in Star Wars Cleanup, Deadpool, and Web Video sand. I'm not coarse and rough, but I get everywhere.Going back through the posts, you've got issues with all the home video related pages. I mostly contributed history stuff, I'm not responsible for all the crazy folders with endless notes on the company's releases. The most I've done was finish the IVE/Live/Artisan page because whoever started it hadn't finished it yet and it was bugging me.
I've skimmed the parts you contributed, and it looks like you've got an interest and enthusiasm for the history side of things. If the crowner ends up favoring a Useful Note, would you be up for helping pull that together?
Search turned up this page as well: Home Video Tropes
Edited by ImmiThrax on Aug 19th 2020 at 11:23:52 AM
Covered in Star Wars Cleanup, Deadpool, and Web Video sand. I'm not coarse and rough, but I get everywhere.This sounds like misusing the projects forum to me - we don't decide on changes to tropes here, that's what TRS is for.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomeVideoDistributors
With the WDHV subpages disappearing, which ofher pages in this category might need a trim?