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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#1: Dec 14th 2016 at 8:04:05 PM

For the Goblins example, the visuals add nothing. It may as well be a quotation instead.

I suggest the following from XKCD:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/skifree01.png

For the record, it uses 4 of the 5 panels, but not all 5. Is that still problematic, or is it legit?

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#2: Dec 14th 2016 at 9:53:33 PM

Previous thread. I don't have much of a problem with the current, to be honest.

edited 14th Dec '16 9:55:44 PM by Willbyr

eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#3: Dec 15th 2016 at 3:28:07 AM

Lateral change. Keep current.

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#4: Dec 15th 2016 at 4:33:35 AM

The suggestion needs more panels than the current to get the same point across, and I can't say the "visuals" add much either, since the game they're playing don't really amount to much.

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#5: Dec 15th 2016 at 6:36:40 AM

Honestly, I don't like either the current or the suggestion.

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#6: Dec 15th 2016 at 8:24:42 AM

The current is decent. The suggestion really only needs frames 2 and 3 to illustrate the trope. But it's very close to a quote masquerading as a page image.

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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#7: Dec 15th 2016 at 8:29:00 AM

[up] I figure that having at least one of the "from the game" panels (it doesn't have to be two of them as I've used) would add something visually that neither the current image nor "XKCD but just the text panels" would have.

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#8: Dec 15th 2016 at 8:30:35 AM

Keep the current.

(Annoyed grunt)
neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#9: Dec 15th 2016 at 8:42:43 AM

What exactly does the current offer as an image that it wouldn't as a quotation, anyway?

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#10: Dec 15th 2016 at 7:11:44 PM

Them hanging from some tall structure and Thaco's face is enough context for me. Also, the page has a good quote already.

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#11: Dec 16th 2016 at 8:02:24 AM

Hmm... I'm still not convinced that anything added by the visuals helps exemplify the trope. Their point would be just as valid whether they were hanging from a "tall structure" or not.

Even if the XKCD suggestion isn't necessarily a good alternative, should we still keep looking?

edited 16th Dec '16 8:03:04 AM by neoYTPism

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#12: Dec 19th 2016 at 1:13:05 PM

Bumping after a few days to see if anyone else has any other ideas...

Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#13: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:17:33 PM

Considering the nature of the trope, it's going to need a lot of text.

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#14: Dec 21st 2016 at 6:06:49 AM

No suggestions other than agreeing with the point in 11.

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tbarrie Since: Jan, 2001
#15: Dec 21st 2016 at 8:33:32 AM

The quizzical look on the goblin's face in panel two makes the current image not just a quote, IMO.

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#16: Dec 21st 2016 at 5:19:43 PM

I prefer keeping the current. I think due to the nature of this trope it's hard to picture it without having at least some dialogue.

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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#17: Dec 26th 2016 at 7:40:45 PM

[up][up] "Facial expression" is a case that could be made for just about any of the webcomics examples.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/brotherskeeper.png

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/demographicallyimpossible.png

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/youremyjoanofarc_1.png

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/internetmagazine.png

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/mininukegrenades.png

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#18: Dec 28th 2016 at 2:54:32 AM

I'll stick with pulling the current for that reason. There's no getting around the fact that nothing in the picture actually adds any visual support to understanding the trope.

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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#19: Jan 5th 2017 at 9:24:39 AM

Might "imageless" be better, then?

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#20: Jan 5th 2017 at 9:31:52 AM

[up]It's a speech trope, so maybe...

edited 5th Jan '17 9:32:10 AM by Gosicrystal

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#21: Jan 5th 2017 at 10:17:07 AM

The current isn't harming the page in any way. Honestly, I think we're starting to get way too liberal with the "might as well be a page quote" hammer.

eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#22: Jan 5th 2017 at 12:02:20 PM

... especially when it comes to dialog-driven tropes.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#23: Jan 5th 2017 at 12:45:56 PM

"Might as well be a page quote" is an ok hammer, If there are better options out there. For dialogue tropes, there often aren't.

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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#24: Jan 15th 2017 at 4:59:26 PM

Bumping after 10 or so days... what makes the current better than the alternatives suggested so far?

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#25: Jan 15th 2017 at 7:10:08 PM

Current is weak, but I think it's better than nothing.

edited 15th Jan '17 7:10:53 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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