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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#201: Apr 25th 2017 at 8:05:04 AM

Nobody is in charge of trope pages. Anyone can edit them as much as they want as long as the edits themselves are good. But I can look at suggestions if you want to bring them up here.

Your preferences are not everyone else's preferences.
ShiroTenshi Since: Nov, 2015
#202: Apr 25th 2017 at 12:25:24 PM

Alright good to know, thank you! c: yeah, I do have a few in mind.

First there's something that needs to be corrected in Cranberry's tropes. It is mentioned in one of them that she is 11 years old when the demon killed her friends, but the LN states she was 9 (I know minor detail but still...)

Also about Fav, I don't think the Affably Evil trope suits him, he does not geniunely care for others, it is an act from his part as he creates the death games for his amusement, so I think it could be replaced with Faux Affably Evil instead.

For Cranberry, how about Soft-Spoken Sadist? She speaks in Keigo (polite speech), and she's generally polite even when killing others.

And possibly the Even Evil Has Standards?(From Pechika's flashback in Restart, Cranberry was disgusted by the fact that Pechika 'dismissed her friends' bravery' and just stood back watching them die. Also, unlike many other villains Cranberry never fought dirty in her battles. She just wanted a fair 1v1 and was chivalrous to an extent. (Like how she gave Winterprison a few seconds before she attacked her and once again also waited for La Pucelle to get ready before she attacked)

Also, in the anime it is clear that Cranberry is nuts, and she's frequently refered to as 'madwoman' in the LN's, so I think she should get a trope that hints the fact that she's not mentally stable. (possibly Cute and Psycho or Stepford Smiler type 3?)

About Lethe, she commited suicide if I remember right? She's missing the suicide trope.

About Melville, I think the Flaw Exploitation suits her, seeing as how she was willing to do anything and resorted to underhanded tactics in order to win (like bribing Leonetta and taking Pechika as a hostage).It was partially Nokko-chan's influence yes, but judging by Melville's Po V, she had resorted to said tactics even before Restart. Another thing I've noticed, not sure if you've read La Pucelle's side story, "A Knight's Day Off" but Melville was willing to kill some random dude who attempted to harass La Pucelle and she even helped the latter, because if he were to be in trouble it would slow down Cranberry's selection tests. Later, Melville ponders over that fact and wonders if Cranberry finds her useful and if she cares for her; maybe it's just me but I sense some: Ignored Enamored Underling vibes

So that's pretty much it, what do you think? c: (I apologize for not using direct links to the tropes but idk how to do so, sorry! x.x)

edited 25th Apr '17 1:45:38 PM by ShiroTenshi

PlatFleece Since: Sep, 2014
#203: Apr 25th 2017 at 1:35:20 PM

To add to the Melville you said, [[spoilers: she definitely has an attention problem going on with Cranberry. She takes offense when Pechika calls her out on not being like Cranberry, despite not showing it, and from her pov, we can see that she very much adores Cranberry. I'm not sure if there are tropes for any of those, but if there are, I'd suggest they be added.]]

I've actually been trying to add more tropes to the character pages, I just have trouble finding trope names

ShiroTenshi Since: Nov, 2015
#204: Apr 25th 2017 at 1:42:45 PM

Yeah that's why I suggested the "Ignored Enamored Underling" trope, seems to be the most suitable in her case.

I can help you out with trope names if you want c:

edited 25th Apr '17 1:44:30 PM by ShiroTenshi

PlatFleece Since: Sep, 2014
#205: Apr 25th 2017 at 1:52:48 PM

That'd be wonderful! Most of what I've been doing in the trope page is adding characters pics and some starting tropes, and then I get stuck on the actual trope name ;w;

Limited - Queens especially needs bulking up

ShiroTenshi Since: Nov, 2015
#206: Apr 25th 2017 at 2:02:31 PM

Yeah it's np c: just tell me what kind of trope you are looking for and i will look it up for you ^_^

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#207: Apr 25th 2017 at 2:06:46 PM

First there's something that needs to be corrected in Cranberry's tropes. It is mentioned in one of them that she is 11 years old when the demon killed her friends, but the LN states she was 9 (I know minor detail but still...)

I've seen like 50 different ages for Swim and Cranberry, so I've given up on that. Put up what ever seems more right.

Also about Fav, I don't think the Affably Evil trope suits him, he does not geniunely care for others, it is an act from his part as he creates the death games for his amusement, so I think it could be replaced with Faux Affably Evil instead.

Seems right.

For Cranberry, how about Soft-Spoken Sadist? She speaks in Keigo (polite speech), and she's generally polite even when killing others.

It's always the quiet ones. Seems right.

And possibly the Even Evil Has Standards? (From Pechika's flashback in Restart, Cranberry was disgusted by the fact that Pechika 'dismissed her friends' bravery' and just stood back watching them die. Also, unlike many other villains Cranberry never fought dirty in her battles. She just wanted a fair 1v1 and was chivalrous to an extent. (Like how she gave Winterprison a few seconds before she attacked her and once again also waited for La Pucelle to get ready before she attacked)

I don't think so. Cranberry values good fights because that's the only thing that satisfies her, and she needs to make them fair in order to prevent a total curb-stomp on her behalf. There's no indication she disapproves of what Melville does. And the trope requires another villain to look worse, so Pechika doesn't earn her that either.

Also, in the anime it is clear that Cranberry is nuts, and she's frequently refered to as 'madwoman' in the LN's, so I think she should get a trope that hints the fact that she's not mentally stable. (possibly Cute and Psycho or Stepford Smiler type 3?)

I think Blood Knight covers that adequately.

About Lethe, she commited suicide if I remember right? She's missing the suicide trope.

I think that would be Taking the Bullet actually.

About Melville, I think the Flaw Explotation suits her, seeing as how she was willing to do anything and resorted to underhanded tactics in order to win (like bribing Leonetta and taking Pechika as a hostage).It was partially Nokko-chan's influence yes, but judging by Melville's Po V, she had resorted to said tactics even before Restart. Another thing I've noticed, not sure if you've read La Pucelle's side story, "A Knight's Day Off" but Melville was willing to kill some random dude who attempted to harass La Pucelle and she even helped the latter, because if he were to be in trouble it would slow down Cranberry's selection tests. Later, Melville ponders over that fact and wonders if Cranberry finds her useful and if she cares for her; maybe it's just me but I sense some: Ignored Enamored Underling vibes

Flaw Exploitation works sure. Cherna's trust in her stands out. As for Ignored Enamored Underling, I don't think we have enough info on Cranberry and Melville's relationship to say if it fits. Melville is obsessed with Cranberry, but we never get Cranberry's thoughts on her apprentice.

Your preferences are not everyone else's preferences.
ShiroTenshi Since: Nov, 2015
#208: Apr 25th 2017 at 2:26:29 PM

Thank you for the clarifications Sterok it helped alot! c:

As for Melville, I am trying to find a trope that hints on her obsession/adoration towards Cranberry but I am not sure which one would fit best. Do you have anything to suggest?

edited 25th Apr '17 2:27:17 PM by ShiroTenshi

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#209: Apr 25th 2017 at 2:33:53 PM

Hero-Worshipper fits fine enough. Her entry there could stand to be expanded. Though really, we need a side story focusing on the elves. Maybe if Restart gets an anime and a Peaceful Days novel.

For general troping purposes, if I can't think of anything that I tend to go to a random index that fits the series or a similar series and browse the tropes there to see if anything fits.

edited 25th Apr '17 2:35:54 PM by Sterok

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ShiroTenshi Since: Nov, 2015
#210: Apr 25th 2017 at 2:50:03 PM

Okie-dokie c:

And yeah lol, the two are in dire need of a side story. I have so many questions that need to be answered! x.x At this point I am just writing my own fanfic coz idk if we will ever get an official side story.

PlatFleece Since: Sep, 2014
#211: Apr 25th 2017 at 3:11:26 PM

I also want more about the elves. I remember when I first got the novel I was hoping to get more info on Cran and Mel's relationship but all we got was a text message

We may get another Episodes book sometime this year. MGRP is usually a yearly release, though right now the author is busy with Breakdown

ShiroTenshi Since: Nov, 2015
#212: Apr 25th 2017 at 4:53:06 PM

Noob question but, when you add tropes for a character how do you make them link to their trope page? x.x

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#213: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:21:42 PM

Join capitalized words. For example:

BigBad: Tama is the mastermind behind the entire series, setting up Fav to meet Cranberry, encouraging corruption in the Land of Magic, and more.

becomes

Big Bad: Tama is the mastermind behind the entire series, setting up Fav to meet Cranberry, encouraging corruption in the Land of Magic, and more.

If it's a single word, then double curly brackets.

{{Tsundere}}: Fav acts a bit cold to the girls, setting them up to die and perverting their dreams, but deep down he's a big softie who only wants what's best for them.

becomes

Tsundere: Fav acts a bit cold to the girls, setting them up to die and perverting their dreams, but deep down he's a big softie who only wants what's best for them.

The complete markup sequences are here.

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ShiroTenshi Since: Nov, 2015
#214: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:35:36 PM

Thank you so much! c: and dam Tama being the mastermind? I knew it!!! xD

Alright, I've editted the page c:

PlatFleece Since: Sep, 2014
#215: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:50:08 PM

Y'know, I probably should've done this sooner, but I finally have a profile pic at last.

By the way, you both are caught up with the Light Novels?

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#216: Apr 25th 2017 at 6:12:54 PM

I'm up to Queens and what's translated of Peaceful Days and F2P.

Your preferences are not everyone else's preferences.
PlatFleece Since: Sep, 2014
#217: Apr 25th 2017 at 7:33:24 PM

Awesome! I'm all caught up myself!

I'm actually also looking to add to the Funny/Nightmare Fuel/Tearjerker pages, since I know those have been pretty barren for a while. Most of the work in the trope page is in the Characters page it looks like

ShiroTenshi Since: Nov, 2015
#218: Apr 26th 2017 at 7:09:43 AM

Your avatar is cute c:

Uhh, I'm not exactly caught up with the light novels, (having only read Restart and some of the side stories) but I've spoiled myself so much, I already know the fates of the characters without reading the LN's. Though I am planning on reading them one of these days (when I have the time that is).

edited 26th Apr '17 7:12:57 AM by ShiroTenshi

PlatFleece Since: Sep, 2014
#219: Apr 26th 2017 at 9:03:00 AM

Why thanks :3c, I love Pfle so much!

I can totally relate, although not with MGRP, there were a couple of series where I've spoiled myself with tropes pages before :P

I've also got friends who would go straight to wikis and other info sites and accidentally got spoiled of deaths. Those are the poor unfortunate souls.

ShiroTenshi Since: Nov, 2015
#220: Apr 26th 2017 at 11:03:46 AM

Nice c: is Pfle your favorite magical girl?

How's the page editing going btw? Need any help?

edited 26th Apr '17 11:07:14 AM by ShiroTenshi

PlatFleece Since: Sep, 2014
#221: Apr 26th 2017 at 1:38:04 PM

She is definitely up there in my list of favorites!

I'm thinking of listing things for Funny/Nightmare Fuel/Tearjerker etc. pages, then I'm going to go work on some character pages.

I'm going to holler in this thread when I get to 'em ^u^ thanks a bunch!

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#222: Jun 1st 2017 at 10:46:29 AM

For fun, let's look at everyone's stats.

Unmarked. I'm pretty sure Mental Strength is supposed to be durability. Some things that stick out to me: Tama having the most Strength in Ruler's group, Ruler's group in general being really weak, Nemurin having surprisingly good physicals, Sister Nana having really good physicals (help your lover already), and Nana, Winterprison, Alice, and Mary having cool joke stats.

Restart. This group is really strong. To be expected of Cranberry Children I suppose, but Detick Bell and Nokko-Chan are the only ones with below 3 Strength. Even Pechika has a 3. There's 5 people with a 5/5 Strength, whereas Unmarked only had 2. Cherna in particular is insanely stacked. Too bad Int was her dump stat. @NyanNyan has a higher Combat Skill than Lazuline and Melville surprisingly. And she has the best joke stat. Pfle's physicals are way too good for someone in a wheelchair, especially since her Int is already the highest. Bell only having 3 Int is kind of embarrassing. Shadow Gale's joke stat is just sad.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#223: Jun 15th 2017 at 8:58:12 PM

Hell Survival Battle. The long awaited Cranberry vs Marika. Seems to me that Cranberry's magic is stronger, but Marika is just so much tougher given that she's a plant. Cranberry calling Marika senpai was cute. I'll assume Panasu got obliterated in their crossfire. Though it could've been Flamey. Pam is extraordinarily submissive for someone so powerful. She really wants to avoid giving off a bad impression to everyone else. Fav gets to witness one of the greatest battle royales ever, and he doesn't care because it's not a death match. Dick. Mimi can use her powers on any living thing? We already knew Hana was broken, but Mimi played her well. She got screwed as much as Marika by location in JOKERS. Proud is also broken. I hope we get more of Mina Mad Gardener Acre. Best vehicle so far.

Metally? She was in QUEENS. Lots of planning ahead. Flamey still seems to be the fire version of Tepsekemei. Too bad Uttakatta invented fire extinguisher bullying. She and Snow White should've hung out more. I've heard Lethe was secretly one of the participants. Duchess perhaps? Props to Comet for making it so far. A gas mask Magical Girl? One of Tot Pop's allies? And going through gaps was the ability of someone in QUEENS. How deep does this rabbit hole go? Pam's school is overrated, but at least Cutie Altair is reputation. We need more of her in the future.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#224: Jun 19th 2017 at 11:43:37 PM

The Light Novel is out in English. Feels good to own an official copy. Interesting to look back at the original.

Ruler comes off as more of a dick than she was interpreted to be later. Ripple has a better explained reason for disliking Nana. There's Mary not liking Cranberry and Snow White mentioning a meeting with Nana and Winterprison. Was Peaceful Days planned back that far, or did Asari just leave those hints in for extra material if needed? Naginata, Pole arm, Hatchet. There's no consistent name for the type of weapon Ruler is. How annoying.

Fav talks a lot more in third person than I remember. It's more explicit that Fav and Cranberry just tolerate each other. Alice only got her final words to Snow White via mind reading. Turns out Cranberry killed Minael in the LN and anime the same way after all. Only manga Mina deserves respect. Really quick fight between Ripple and Swim. Snow White only ran away for two weeks. Better than six months I suppose.

The Land of Magic is now officially the Magical Kingdom. I'll have to get around to fixing that. And perhaps other terminology.

There's a volume 2 listed on Yen Press's site for November. It just copy/pasted the first volume's description, but hopefully that's Restart. Would be lovely to get a new volume here every few months or so.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#225: Sep 1st 2017 at 5:29:47 PM

Breakdown 1-5. This may be a web novel spin-off instead of a continuation of the main story, but it's no less interesting.

An inheritance dispute is at the center of the conflict. At least in theory, since not many people seem too fussed about the inheritance, and the characters so far have been in little conflict with each other. There haven't been any fight scenes thus far, which helps differentiate it from the main novels. Of course there's been a murder, since it wouldn't be Raising Project without a ton of deaths, but this seems to be more subdued overall. There's a greater focus on mages, which I like since it helps flesh out the world and just what they do. Anything to help justify Mana being useful.

Sheperdspie seems genuine. Incompetent, but he really does want the will passed on and to be a good host. Too bad he isn't good at hiring magical girls. Pastel Merry is so clumsy it draws suspicion. And she's the main suspect for murder. I doubt that she's the culprit, but sheep are more dangerous than they let on from the media I've seen. Dreamy Chelsea is funny. And not a very good magical girl. If only she could control celestial bodies. Everyone thinking she's Sheperdspie's lover is hilarious. I don't give her good odds for survival. Too bad she can't meet Wedin and argue over what makes one a magical girl.

I do appreciate professionals, so Miss Margarite is giving a good impression. Definitely a good person, though she shouldn't be blaming herself too much. Being as indifferent as Pam probably isn't a good idea, but these girls make their own choices. She's got a nice sword, and while her power hasn't been used yet, it's description makes it something I want to see. Touta is a nice kid. Probably would be best if he didn't get involved in all this mess, but that's life in this world. Deathprayer joins the likes of Winterprison and Genopsycho with an awesome name.

I suspect we've seen Lagi Je Nent before. He might have been the mage Snow White stole a password from in Restart. And he might've been the mage Tot Pop talked to in Fast Music. He does share the same disdain for magical girls as the guy Tot talked to. Can't say I thought we'd see him again. He's likable enough so far, but his relation to Osk makes him questionable, and if Clantail dies I'm blaming him for dragging her into this mess. Too bad Clantail hasn't done much so far even though her reappearance is both hype and nerve-racking. Hopefully she does more later. And she better not die in a side story, since she's the reoccurring character most at risk. I liked the references to the Mad Gardener (what is she doing in another dimension?) and Panasu. Good to see them still active.

Love Me Ren-Ren is the best. Both design and character. Such a sad backstory on par with Nokko-chan, yet she keeps on going with a mostly positive outlook. She has pure motivations, but she's competent enough to act cautiously and generally not be an idiot. She better survive. We do need to see her abilities in action to see how it works. Does she just make people fall in love, or can she fine-tune its effect? Nephilia is the new Hardgore Alice. Not very communicative, but seems to be a good person. Much less shy when not transformed though. She works well with Ren-Ren. Her power isn't as good as it seemed from the description, but it's still good for mysteries. Agri is my favorite of the new mages. Lively and genuinely friendly with the hired help. I'm going to be sad when she bites it.

Since this is before ACES, Mana is safe for sure. 7753 and Mei should be good too. Those two definitely aren't going to die in a side story. All three are acting like usual. Mei makes Cherna look smart, which has got to be an accomplishment of some sort. 7753 is too nice to be as deadly as she could be, but at least she's made good use of her goggles thus far. Mana is more in her element here than the battle hellholes of Limited and QUEENS, so she should come across better overall. Hopefully they manage to befriend Clantail.

Of the remaining characters, Navi Ru and Clarissa are the most suspicious by far. Clarissa has unknown powers, and Navi Ru has scum written all over him. 7753 seems to have cleared them, but there are probably ways to get around that. They also might have an unknown magical girl with them. Iole is adorable, and I hope she makes it out with Touta for many adventures with card games. Not much to say about Maia and Laleko, especially with the former dead.

Everyone detransforming in front of each other suddenly was one of the best "oh shit" moments in the series for me. It's something different, and it helps emphasize that everyone is human deep down. Well except for Mei I guess. Thank goodness she's a glutton. 7753 shall now be known as pajama lady. If this happens again, things will get really dicey. I don't know what will happen, but this story is certainly building up to be as good and bloody as the main stories.

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