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Huthman Queen of Neith from Unknown, Antarctica Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Queen of Neith
#1: Jul 30th 2016 at 3:14:27 PM

Imagine one day, a day where every horror villain and monsters suddenly banded together and took over the world. The event killed millions of people during the rampage, leaving nearly no survivors behind. The world was now dominated by only horror villains and monsters swarming and wrecking havoc upon the world.

So I have one question, what would be the world be like, and also put in suggestions and opinions?

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#2: Jul 30th 2016 at 6:36:52 PM

every horror villain and monsters suddenly banded together

Sorry, but I simply don't see that happening. Wildly differing agendas, too many competing to be at the very top of the pecking order, etc. They'd slaughter each other before they'd cooperate.

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Huthman Queen of Neith from Unknown, Antarctica Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Queen of Neith
#3: Jul 30th 2016 at 7:14:48 PM

However, I have to explain that they have been organized by a Eldritch Abomination known as the Source of Evil who wants a world where there is only evil, chaos, darkness and despair by unleashing the Horrors (Horror villains and monsters) out of their prisons and hiding.

edited 30th Jul '16 11:21:43 PM by Huthman

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nekomoon14 from Oakland, CA Since: Oct, 2010
#4: Jul 31st 2016 at 8:59:25 PM

They all need motivations, clear goals, even if those never become clear to the audience (although some may consider that bad storytelling). Let's break it down into alignments; why are Lawful Evil villains and Chaotic Evil villains working together, and why aren't the Neutral Evil villains playing both sides against each other? How does the Eldritch Abomination persuade or force them to work together (at least long enough for evil to prevail)?

If everyone in the world is evil, it could be argued that nobody is. Evil is defined by good, after all, and there are no good people left, so evil becomes neutral.

But let's keep it simple; what are the Evil Virtues that define ethics and morality?

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Huthman Queen of Neith from Unknown, Antarctica Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Queen of Neith
#5: Aug 1st 2016 at 4:22:00 AM

- Cooperation - Keeping order - Peace between the Horrors

  • Main tenets of the Horrors inscribed by the Source of Evil to prevent infighting and power struggles.

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nekomoon14 from Oakland, CA Since: Oct, 2010
#6: Aug 1st 2016 at 10:24:18 PM

That implies that there must be law-enforcing villains going around imprisoning/torturing/killing rebellious ones. Unless they're all being mind-controlled. And I really don't like that idea; mind control in this case feels like a cheat.

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Huthman Queen of Neith from Unknown, Antarctica Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Queen of Neith
#7: Aug 2nd 2016 at 4:17:44 AM

Sometimes, the Source of Evil lets them do it because it is the world what he wants. A world of only evil and chaos.

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Belisaurius Artisan of Auspicious Artifacts from Big Blue Nowhere Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Artisan of Auspicious Artifacts
#8: Aug 2nd 2016 at 6:33:07 AM

Considering the nature of most generic villains, you'd have all of them at each other's throat most of the time. Considering how damaging their rule would be, you'd inevitably have an evil overlord march off to murder his neighbor only to return to a peasant revolt. More than that, the constant wars would drain the villain's military power and a cruel and despotic rule would mean their provinces wouldn't generate the income to support such efforts.

It's basically feudalism but without the religious justification. As soon as firearms enter the equation the entire system collapses .

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#9: Aug 2nd 2016 at 8:48:49 AM

Just out of curiosity, do you mean "horror villains and monsters" as in the stars of horror movies?

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Huthman Queen of Neith from Unknown, Antarctica Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Queen of Neith
#10: Aug 2nd 2016 at 3:33:31 PM

As in the stars of horror movies and usually imaginary violent and scary stuff that every people make. It also extends to anything that is scary like anything that threaten the normality of the world like humans with aberrant capabilities, creatures of extraterrestrial or extradimensional origin, memetic agents, dangerous criminals and objects with strange properties and other stuff like that.

edited 2nd Aug '16 8:43:14 PM by Huthman

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nekomoon14 from Oakland, CA Since: Oct, 2010
#11: Aug 2nd 2016 at 9:56:28 PM

I'm not sure you're really thinking this whole thing through. You can't expect me (as a prospective audience member) to accept the notion that Lawful Evil and Chaotic Evil (as generic examples of evil) are cooperating peacefully AFTER they've already defeated good without a serious justification, because there's a huge difference between a The Empire and The Horde, and evil is NOT one big happy family. You need to come up with compelling and believable reason if there's no longer any conflict between different kinds of evil.

Evil needs victims. Assuming all the neutral people were killed/crippled along with the good, that means evil will have to prey on evil. You need to think about that and how it will shape whatever societies you're hoping will emerge.

When I speak of evil virtues I mean acts of cruelty that are no longer considered acts of cruelty. We presumably live in a world where we all agree some things are flat wrong (mainly because we wouldn't like them done to us); the world you're positing would work in reverse.

Things like partner and child abuse, for example, become acceptable, possibly even expected, maybe even encouraged; you need to really think through the implications of the world you're creating, all the way through.

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Huthman Queen of Neith from Unknown, Antarctica Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Queen of Neith
#12: Aug 3rd 2016 at 4:17:05 AM

It's like a unfair ecosystem. There is no difference between Lawful or Chaotic in this world. All you need to know is that the world is ruled by Horrors and the only way to survive in this world is to become the most wicked and savage Horror in order to appease the Source of Evil and become one of the greater Horrors.

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Belisaurius Artisan of Auspicious Artifacts from Big Blue Nowhere Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Artisan of Auspicious Artifacts
#13: Aug 3rd 2016 at 6:26:05 AM

So more of a post-apocalyptic anarchy than an Evil Empire

edited 3rd Aug '16 6:39:02 AM by Belisaurius

Huthman Queen of Neith from Unknown, Antarctica Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Queen of Neith
#14: Aug 3rd 2016 at 2:52:36 PM

Yes, it's like that. Shall we continue worldbuilding.

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Belisaurius Artisan of Auspicious Artifacts from Big Blue Nowhere Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Artisan of Auspicious Artifacts
#15: Aug 4th 2016 at 6:44:36 AM

Anarchies are inherently unstable. They spontaneously form feudalisms, dictatorships, pseudo-democracies and republics at the drop of a hat and destroy them just as quickly. A mad scientist might found his own kingdom one year and be chased out of it the next. A set of beastmen could form a tribal council one month and succumb to infighting the next.

Anything that lasts a decade or two is impressive. Anything that lasts beyond one generation is going to be legendary.

The one thing that's going to thrive is trade. Despite the fact that there's no currency, merchants can barter for what they need and without permanent nation states obtaining resources and materials will be extremely difficult. Remember Barter Town? Pretty realistic after a generation or two of anarchy. The City of London was actually never conquered during the norman invasions due in part thanks to it's importance as a trade city.

Rulers would also not want to antagonize traders. Well, not more than they usually antagonize people. If the trading becomes too hazardous, traders will just avoid an area.

What kind of limits are there on personal power? How physically powerful can someone get?

Huthman Queen of Neith from Unknown, Antarctica Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Queen of Neith
#16: Aug 4th 2016 at 2:58:41 PM

The limit of physical power is that of Eldritch Abominations. There are rulers in this world, but they often dominate the weaker Horrors in this world.

Besides, most of the world is inhabited by Horrors that like to murder and steal from each other. Ghosts, serial killers, eldritch abominations, zombies, mutants, demons, kaijuu, strange creatures, brown notes, aliens, robots, cursed objects and other monsters are examples of Horrors in this world.

edited 4th Aug '16 2:59:34 PM by Huthman

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nekomoon14 from Oakland, CA Since: Oct, 2010
#17: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:38:40 AM

Who am i supposed to root for (as a prospective audience member)?

edited 5th Aug '16 1:39:28 AM by nekomoon14

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Huthman Queen of Neith from Unknown, Antarctica Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Queen of Neith
#18: Aug 5th 2016 at 5:06:30 AM

The main serial killer obsessed with the occult character. Also the most common currency in this world is blood, silver, magnetite, Hell money, hearts, souls and other strange currencies.

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nekomoon14 from Oakland, CA Since: Oct, 2010
#19: Aug 7th 2016 at 1:38:02 AM

Why am i supposed to root for that character?

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Huthman Queen of Neith from Unknown, Antarctica Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Queen of Neith
#20: Aug 7th 2016 at 1:51:49 AM

He's the only sane character in this world, the rest are at best cruel and stupid at worst wicked and savaage.

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nekomoon14 from Oakland, CA Since: Oct, 2010
#21: Aug 7th 2016 at 2:09:25 AM

"Sanity" is not a virtue. If u expect me to root for your Villain Protagonist they need to be charismatic, they need to have some quality i admire.

And i cant help u develop this idea if u dont give a lot more info than ur giving at present about the important characters, the setting, and your plot goals for the story.

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Huthman Queen of Neith from Unknown, Antarctica Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Queen of Neith
#22: Aug 7th 2016 at 4:32:56 AM

Let's continue tomorrow, I'm really tired right now, I'll notify when I'm back.

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#23: Aug 7th 2016 at 9:11:31 AM

"The lesser of two evils is still evil, and the enemy of my enemy is not my friend."

For the reader/audience to root for the (purported) protagonist, he needs to be more appealing than just being the least despicable character.

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Huthman Queen of Neith from Unknown, Antarctica Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Queen of Neith
#24: Aug 7th 2016 at 3:40:06 PM

I'm back,

Yeah he's still bloodthristy, psychotic, and demented serial killer obsessed with the occult, how I suppose make him appealing.

In fact the whole world ruled by Horrors relies on black and black morality.

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RBomber Since: Nov, 2010
#25: Aug 7th 2016 at 7:51:54 PM

Give him symphatetic, but believable traits. Makes him outwardly charming. Makes him having some kind of principle, that can be related as good-ish.

For example: Kimblee from Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood. He's remorseless Psycho for Hire, considering screaming of his victims as soothing lullaby, but he has his principle: if you live and die for your principle, then you got his respect, and even then he'll kill you anyway if it required to do so. If you betray your principle... then he doesn't respect you, and will happily stick a knife in your back just because.


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