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I'm in favor for a rename, but I thought the policy is that "only rename if it's actually causing lots of confusion"? If the name is widely accepted then it sounding ridiculous shouldn't really matter. "Don't fix if it doesn't need it", they say.
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Underperforming is also an acceptable reason for a rename. I haven't looked to see if this is underperforming, but the fact that someone went all the way to the launch pad because they were unable to find this suggests it might be.
If it's only mildly underperforming, though, adding some more easily searchable redirects is probably the best/easiest solution.
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The descriptions says "This trope specifically refers to a case in which one fighter magically, psychically, or physically forces his or her target to move to the fighter's location, often setting the victim up for a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown." but we've got a fair number of examples that are a generic anti-escape tactic/mechanic, Are we looking at a Missing Super Trope here?
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Just broaden the description then. Though if that happens, Yank Into Melee probably isn't the right name,
Although, at least a few confused this with attacks that home in to opponents (that's Homing Projectile) or things that are unavoidable period (Always Accurate Attack). Gotta make sure misuses like that get pruned out.
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The following on-page examples are misuse for Implacable Man (attacker chases down their opponent):
- One Piece: Akainu often says this to any pirate that he deems as "potentially dangerous" and will pursue his targets until he kills them. His determination is so strong that he continued to go after Luffy even though he suffered 2 direct strong blows from Whitebeard. In the end, he was pissed off at Shanks for letting Luffy get away.
- Bleach:
- Ichigo gets his Soul Reaper powers back and proves to be more powerful than Ginjou, a terrified Ginjou tries to speed away, only for Ichigo to Flash Step up and grab him, declare "You're not going anywhere!", then throw him down.
- During the Soul Society arc, the group had been told that under no circumstance should they fight a Captain, as each one as a Person of Mass Destruction, when confronted by Kenpachi, Ichigo acknowledges it would be pointless to run away because any opponent too powerful to fight would surely also be too fast to outrun.
- Because no normal criminal can ever possibly defeat Batman in combat, they usually run, only to be caught a few seconds later.
- 9/10/2012 - CM Punk tried to escape from Randy Orton like he did to Sheamus earlier, but Orton invoked this trope by going after Punk.
- NetHack: Once you've found him and woken him up, The Wizard of Yendor will reappear periodically wherever you are, and taunt you for thinking you could elude him (if he was alive and on a different dungeon level). A slightly different taunt appears if he was killed instead (he revives after a while). Several high-level monsters, including the Wizard, will teleport to your location if you try to run away from the fight but are still on the same level.
Combined with the misuse for attacks that home in to opponents (Homing Projectile) or things that are unavoidable period (Always Accurate Attack), I think that a rename is appropriate. I haven't done a complete Wick Check, so this isn't completely indicative. Nor is it a large percentage of on-page examples.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Well, I'm (half) convinced now that the name is a problem.
Aside from yanking into melee, I've seen this trope being used for a special movement trick (usually in video games but I've seen one in anime) that makes the user move directly (or teleport) towards the enemy. It serves the similar purpose of getting into melee range but it's you who move instead of the enemy.
I'm thinking of Dante's Air Trick move in Devil May Cry series where he'll teleport to a closest opponent for one. Or in Naruto the Fourth Hokage's jutsu (Flying Thunder God, iirc) that makes him teleport to where his special kunai gets embedded, usually to enemies.
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Do you think a split between "Pull into melee" and "Teleport to target" is worth it?
I think its worth a split. A yank into melee usually will provide some kind of disorient debuff for the person being yanked in some way such as turning them to face you and Interface Screws.
Teleporting or Flash Step behind a person usually does not do anything, if the person is running and you port behind them they continue running and you are left with thin air.
EDIT: also the Yank type moves can be pulled over an open pit then dropped into oblivion, a very common tactic in things like Overwatch and World Of Warcraft. As are knockbacks, which would be a related trope if it exists.
edited 8th Mar '17 10:44:12 AM by Memers
That would be it... it would help if I tried to pothole it lawl.
Yeah the 'Get Over Here' yank is the exact opposite of that trope.
edited 8th Mar '17 3:59:59 PM by Memers
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Need a rename crowner made.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
I can get behind splitting "moving yourself towards enemies" from You Will Not Evade Me, but if nobody worked on it then examples of that could still be there.
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OK, I took an axe to this damn page, deleting literally DOZENS of examples that didn't meet the trope description at all, until I remembered that there was a Trope Repair Discussion thread open about it and went to read this thread instead. Seeing that there is discussion of a page split, I held off on my pruning and canceled the edits I was going to make, in case someone wants to take the examples I was going to delete and put them on a new page instead. But it's been months since this was discussed, despite it being one of the most-misused tropes I think I've ever seen. Someone needs to make a decision about what to do with this page, or else Imma get my axe out again and do what needs to be done myself.
edited 14th Jun '17 1:32:12 AM by ArcaneAzmadi
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I'm cautiously of the belief that this thread has agreed to eliminate misuse, split off "blink to your target" to a different page, and rename "force target to come to you" to a clearer name.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Would you kindly tell us which examples are misuses?
I'd second that
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/SingleProposition/YouWillNotEvadeMe
single proposition crowner to make it official then.
Uh, ALL of the examples which aren't "drag your opponent towards you"? That's about 1/4 to 1/3 of all entries on the page! People are seriously ONLY reading the trope name and not the actual description at ALL and filling the page with examples of enemies who just chase the player a long distance, or lock them into the room to stop them escaping, or other such things which aren't the trope at all.
I blame the confusion on the name. It's only taken from an Everquest mechanic, regardless of the fact that the line doesn't actually describe what's happening, so honestly we could have just called it "Get Over Here!" after Scorpion's famous quote (if we were still using quotes as trope names) and people would know pretty much what it meant.
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Agreed a lot of the examples on the page are incorrect. As for a replacement name, umm nothing really comes to mind.
"Pull Into Melee"?
As for "closing in towards an enemy" and "limiting enemy's movements", well, I suppose they could be their own tropes...
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a Charge type move should exist as a trope, I just can't find it off hand. It would be related to Flash Step although not quite the same.
Hinderance effects are currently under Slow in Standard Status Effects, that page should be divided up IMO, being rooted in place and prevented from escaping seem to be missing on that list though.
Adding to that list would be vortex effects which suck enemies (and possibly allies) to a set location. Overwatch's Zarya uses it as an ult and World Of Warcraft's Druid has one as a talent.
Not all of them pull all the way into Melee, some do half the distance. Or in old RP Gs with a front row and back row melee attacks still hit the back row just do like half damage.
Anyway to equate everything to Overwatch
- This trope is Roadhog's Hook
- Lucio's is Knockback
- Charge At Target is Mercy's move
- Vortex Move is Zarya's ultimate.
- Slowing is Mei's frost effects
- Rooted is Junkrat's bear trap.
edited 18th Jun '17 10:46:00 PM by Memers
Crown Description:
Clean up misuse of You Will Not Evade Me.
In the launch pad discussion for Yank Into Melee
, it came up that we already have it under the terribly unclear name "You Will Not Evade Me", which appears to be named after a Stock Phrase from Everquest and predates No New Stock Phrases.
Suggest that we rename You Will Not Evade Me to Yank Into Melee or Yank Into Range to have a more clear title.