PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad cleanup thread

As you may know, this page has come up a number of times recently, and has been the subject of a number of dubious additions to the page. This thread is to go through and find dubious examples to remove and to make the page fit our standards.

Link to page:Political Correctness Gone Mad

A lot of the page is either very verbose and wordy, possibly with Word Cruft, but there is also some breaking of Weblinks Are Not Examples going on. The page is a mess, due to edit wars and being one of the oldest pages here that has never had a dedicated clean-up thread in recent years.

edited 24th May '16 8:05:13 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

bumping and adding this: In the Doraemon example, it says Shizaku's doll is replaced by a diary, but doesn't say WHY that's PCGM. I've never seen the show.

The Druid City example is In-Universe, yet the rest of the examples are talking about stuff that happens outside the work, I.e. Trivia style examples.

The Iron Man 3 example is a generic Zero-Context Example. If anyone can make it actually an example post it here to see if we can improve it.

and this example:

When MTV and the Disney Channel aired The Beatles cartoon in the late 80s, they left out the first season opening due to a scene where Ringo fools a bunch of screaming girls by impersonating a Chinaman. Several episodes that had ethnic stereotypes (Arabic, Mexican and Japanese, mainly) were left out as well.

uses the word "Chinaman" instead of "chinese man/person." a bit pedantic, I know, but isn't Chinaman considered racist nowadays, and that isn't in a quote, it's someone from now writing that.

The Giver example is speculation, it has no basis in fact.

We have a number of In-Universe examples such as Druid City and Demolition Man, and a lot of out of universe trivia style examples. Looking at this again, it might need a full TRS rather than just a clean-up.

edited 26th May '16 4:17:23 PM by TheOneWhoTropes

I was recently thinking that this would be a prime candidate for In-Universe Only status. Of course, that would kill a lot of examples, and would require quite a bit of reworking. But, even though I find a lot of the examples entertaining, I have to say that this looks like a prime page to attract people trying to import external drama. And as we all know, that never goes well.

Some of it would also fit FAR better under Executive Meddling.

I agree with Xtifr. It's a drama magnet.

edited 28th May '16 8:01:16 AM by dexterian120

In-Universe examples only is what I think should happen too. Some of the examples are "Complaining about Executive Meddling" too much for my liking.

I've been digging deeper, and Doraemon is culturally translated in a lot of other areas. So we can delete that as complaining, also, the translation referred to dorayaki as "yummy buns", I don't remember currant buns, like hot-cross buns, being considered particularly "healthy" so we have Blatant Lies to support the viewpoint on the PCGM page as well. And the Japanese wanted these changes, NOT Disney.

edited 28th May '16 8:23:48 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

I'd also be in favor of having In-Universe Examples Only for this trope.

Do we need a crowner? Or should we just tell the mods that we think In-Universe Examples Only should be the case on this page?

I would say you do need a crowner. I think that any examples of political correctness surrounding the making of a work need to go in the real life section anyway. Only examples that occur in a work should be listed as examples.

I suggest moving this discussion to trope repair shop. I would propose cleaning up the definition so that Political Correctness Gone Mad only refers to what are currently in universe examples.

Holler your post and say I agree with what you're saying. With a big change like this, it may need TRS input. I wouldn't mind an In Universe Examples Only thread similar to the ones for YMMV, Trivia, and Real Life Examples to be honest.

I would holler, but I was suggesting a new thread be created in TRS. To decide if it should be IUEO, or if the trope should be rewritten to only apply to PCGM that occurs in a work.

There's actually a specific thread for proposing tropes which should be in-universe only. I was thinking of taking this over there, but wanted to see people's comments on the idea first.

Uh, that thread is for real life example sectionomy. Which is different from in universe examples only.

One thread per trope, please. In-Universe Examples Only is a major change that needs lot of work, nothing suited for a megathread where stuff is actioned off in a drive-by manner.

Are we going to request this change or should I start a new thread in TRS?

EDIT: I meant TRS, not ATT.

edited 16th Jun '16 3:41:42 PM by TheOneWhoTropes

As the person who initially suggested in-universe-only above, I certainly have no objections. But then, I'm not a fan of real-life "troping" in general, and have a very low threshold for supporting NRLEP or IUO. So I may be doubly biased.

After seeing it used on YMMV.Demolition Man, which might need a clean. I think it definitely needs IUEO put on the page. A lot of the examples will disappear - but good riddance to them, most of them are beyond the scope of this site, or politicised Flame Bait. At least we can keep this one, unlike Supposedly Rebellious Series, or Selective Squick.

NRELP might be a good place to start, in any case. That's relatively easy. And if NRELP (and any associated cleanup) proves insufficient, then we can look into IUO or other more drastic measure.

The trope is already in No Real Life Examples, Please!.

Those things go better in Bowdlerise.

What if we moved the out-of-universe examples to a separate page and then locked it? That way we can keep the more appropriate Real Life examples, but any new examples will have to be approved in the Locked Page Edit Request thread, so people won't be using it to complain.

Out of universe examples are separate from real life examples. Real Life is a work troped on this site. When that particular work is troped, that is a real life example. Out of universe examples are still about fictional works.

This is why I support a rewrite so that the trope only applies to in universe examples.

edited 10th Jul '16 7:07:28 AM by war877

What I meant is that the "Political correctness impacting stories" section should be kept, but moved to a separate, locked page. That way people who enjoy reading these examples will get to keep them, while people who use the page for drama importation won't be able to keep doing so.

While I understand the decisions to get rid of complain-y or controversial parts of the site, I actually found said parts of the site fun to read, so getting to keep Out-Of-Universe examples while preventing people from using the page to import drama would be a good way of taking a third option .

Something being fun to read is not a good reason to keep off-mission Flame Bait, that could cause arguments, if not on the wiki, they could easily be brought up in the forum and cause a shitstorm there. Our mission is not to trope Real Life but fiction, Real Life examples are here due to Grandfather Clause and some tropes relying on it as a comparison (Reality Is Unrealistic, for example.)