Luck & Logic

Spoilers please? (as in, could you give some.)

edited 27th Mar '16 7:35:32 AM by Sijo

Spoilers it is. Warning: Spoilers.

Basically, Olga won the first encounter with Tsurugi by pulling out more power exactly as expected, and then the rest of the team went there to show their moral support and protect him from a token attack. Then Olga doesn't want to fight them, since he's got no beef with the rest of the team, while Lucifer decides to assume direct control briefly to attack them. That's the token attack, by the way. Olga fights Lucifers control, then have a bout with Tsurugi which he ultimately loses, because the MC always wins at the end.

In other words, the heroes won because Olga didn't want to involve people not named Tsurugi (and by extension Athena). So basically because the traitor didn't jump off the slippery slope and instead held onto what made him rebel in the first place, which was his rivalry with Tsurugi. And he had strong enough willpower (or something) to prevent Lucifer from taking over. And quite possibly, he'd have won over Tsurugi if Lucifer had agreed with him rather than fight his will.

Oh, and at the end, when their over trances ended and scattered all their precious personality cards, Tsurugi prevents Olga's from scattering, while his own are later scattered only to be mostly collected in the epilogue. Only card remining lost is supposedly his memory, despite him seeming to remember some details. Well, exactly what the individual cards represents isn't exactly strictly adhered to anyway.

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Indeed. It was a suitable end for this show.

I liked how Olga's character arc ultimately played out. Teaming up with Lucifer taught him a lot of things, and he didn't outright reject Lucifer's base ideal. And Lucifer was chill with that.

Poor Yoshichika, ending the show not fully 100%. But I'm sure it'll all work out eventually. That's my Logic.

Yukari/Quetzie, truly the best team.

edited 27th Mar '16 7:55:40 AM by Diamite

Quetzie is like a likeable mascot character. Yukari is just awesome.

Main couple is decent with the usual trappings of being fairly generic.

Venus is cool, too.

I kinda felt that most characters kind of faded out of view outside their character episodes, even if they were mostly present. The supporting cast held a stronger impression to me. Well, in this show it's more like there are two main characters, temporary mains depending on episode/arc, and all of the others are supporting characters.

By the way, the two girls Yurine spoke to in the epilogue seemed familiar. Probably just generically familiar design, but still.

I would call this ultimately a White-and-Grey Morality conflict, with some of the lesser monsters veering black, but otherwise fairly light.

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The battle was rather disappointing overall. Also, what the hell, Olga not only gets away with a slap of the wrist but becomes the new leader? Even if they forgave him, this guy just has no qualities to lead anybody.

And what's with the goddesses going from "we have to leave" to "we are staying" in five seconds flat? That was weird.

They just could stop themselves from some last minute attempts at bittersweet ending. It felt half-assed.

My misgivings aside, I rather liked this series. IT wasn't exceptional by any means, but it had a heart to it, and I had fun watching it. Yoshichika and Athena were good leading characters, and all the supporting cast besides Olga was rather likable.

Ehh, I kind of liked the ending. It is all a bit slapdash, but it fits the series for neither Olga nor Loki to be proper villains, but rather misguided idealists.

What struck me this episode was the fusion of Yoshichika & Athena: suddenly they're wearing high heels and Yoshichika looks rather more feminine than normal...

I managed to see the last episode before I returned to this thread, but thanks for the spoilers anyway.

So Olga was willing to kill Tsurugi but not the others? Gee, that's totally so much better. But at least it led to his defeat. What exactly did he do to him anyway? Was it nothing but spiteful jealousy? Let's assume his emotions were heightened by Lucifer because otherwise, his being forgiven makes no sense.

Oh and am I crazy, or did ALCA allow Olga to re-merge with Lucifer in the end (which would explain why he has three tracker spheres on him at all times.)

Overall, I feel this show had good ideas but the writing just wasn't good enough to live up to its potential. For one thing, it took forever to explain what was going on, we needed a good infodump right at the start. And better reasons why Olga was tolerated despite being an ass.

I hear there might be a sequel. If so, I hope they fix the approach they took. They might decide to redeem both Olga and Lucifer, for instance.

edited 28th Mar '16 5:10:31 PM by Sijo

Those were the chief's bombs. Basically, his boss keeping a permanent watch on him.

What's precedent ever done for us?

I got the impression he didn't want to kill him, as he mentioned he also wanted to fight with him. He wanted to defeat him, to prove himself and stuff.

What infodump was needed? I tend to feel that most anime have too much infodumping, since it's usually easy enough to follow the flow of the story anyway even with minimal info. Or maybe that's just me, since I tend to feel that some series are completely comprehensible others say aren't, or that you absolutely need to have read the source material to understand what's going on.

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We did get an infodump in the second (if I remember correctly) episode in the form of the quizz test the logicalist had to do.

That's just it; the series acts like it's clear enough, but I don't feel it is (and I'm usually pretty perceptive.) For example:

- We never learned who Tsurugi had to Overtrance against that first time. And was Athena his Covenanter that time too?

-Why is Trancing necessary? Do Gods lose their power on Septia? How is Trance Jacking different? Does jacking have a time limit too?

- Are Paradox Zones obligatory or intentional? Or does it vary with each Foreigner?

-Are Foreigner Gods?

-Is Septia a city, a land or a world? Is it Earth's future?

- Why were Foreigners coming over in the first place? They were treated as invaders or criminals. Considering there were goddesses in ALCA, you'd think this would have been explained early. For all we know, the gods might have been lying to the humans about it.

-Speaking of which, why, other than Fanservice, was there such a disproportional ratio between men and women in ALCA?

-And why did ALCA have such a stupid acronym (in English to boot.)

- Why did the civil war happen in Tetra Heaven? All we know is that Lucifer started it.

- And I think we were supposed to feel Lucifer's ideals were noble, but the how and why was never really explained. Also in a world that is constantly invaded by Foreigners, how did he get so many followers?

- Why was Olga tolerated? Yes I know he obviously had the potential to be a logicalist but still, in real life his disruptive behavior (he had been trying to pick a fight with the MC from the start) would have gotten him reprimanded at some point. Also, we never learned why nobody but Lucifer wanted to covenant with him- not even the Foreigners looking to escape ALCA! I guessed that this was all setup by Lucifer from the start, but apparently that was not the case.

Most of those questions are either answered, explicitly or implicitly, or they're not important to this particular story. You can always expand upon a setting, but not all details are relevant for the story told, or not relevant enough to take up some of the limited time you have for an anime season.

It makes them more powerful, at least.

That seems to be the case, such as if you look at Quetzie and others.

They mentioned that it would hurt people if done long enough, but otherwise it's probably relatively similar in terms of amount of power gained. There's also the difference in who's in control, which is probably why the forms look different. Although for that we've only really got Best Couple to compare with.

They seem intentional, and probably has to do with how they spread their influence or gain power. I don't think the exact nature matters.

I found that the lesser characters were more equally divided, so it's probably that one reason. Appeal to the audience.

The ideal was to create a perfect world. That in and of itself is a noble goal by most standards. The problems come with how you define "perfect world", and that's where he went counter to the protagonists' definitions of what a better world would be like.

What's unclear about that? He presented himself as a savior among the war that was going on. Some people will believe him. The more people believe him, the more people will believe him.

Because not everyone has punishment as the first solution to every problem. Some people are actually idealistic, as hard as it can be to believe.

First you talk about how he's disruptive, and then you wonder why Foreigners don't want to team up with him in such a personal way? Compatibility is a thing they've gone over many times. And I think that despite Olga's thought that Lucifer could've picked anyone, I don't think there were that many people more compatible than Olga. They were, for better or worse, a rathert good fit.

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No offense, but I find your answers as vague as the show's.

Look, I don't hate L & L. In fact, I still ended up enjoying it quite a bit (or I wouldn't have watched it). I just feel like it had potential it never lived up to, due to mediocre writing. I can't help but feel that they weren't really trying, maybe because it was basically made to promote the card game, or because they just depended too much on the expected Anime cliches. Or both.

If there's a second season, I will give it another chance.

Well, I find your questions irrelevant for understanding the story, or with obvious answers, so I guess the answers match the questions.

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Probably a really powerful Foreigner.I don't recall anything being said about it but I might be wrong. As for the second question, no. Hs partner at the time was Rasetsu, a foreigner from the world of Disfia.

Yes. Since Foreigners come from a different world, Septia's logic messes with their own causing them to lose abilities since their bodies have to adapt to Septia's logic (An exemple given in one of the short stories accompnying the first booster set was that of a winged foreigner that lost her ability to fly). Trance and Trancejack helps alleviate that. As for the difference between the two, it's that Trancejack is when a foreigner forcibly takes over an human unlike Trance which is done willingly. In short: Trance is a Fusion Dance while Trancejack is Demonic Possession.

I'm not entirely sure but it appears to be intentional. And the level of the zone does indeed seems to depend on the Foreigner and how powerful they are.

It depends. Foreigners here refers to beings that comes from a world that's not Septia and thus their nature can vary depending on the world they come from. However, most of the Foreigners that come from Tetraheaven are gods.

Septia is the name of the world. The city is called Naien. As fot wether or not it's a future Earth, I'd say yes considering that Yoshichika was previously part of the Hong Kong branch of ALCA.

In the Demon Gods' case, it all comes down to the civil war in Tetraheaven. The Demon Gods lost the war and thus decided to move to Septia. The Godesses probably felt some responsability about the mess and thus went to ALCA in order to help.

Fanservice.

The english name would be because it's an international organization. As for the acronym, I think it makes sense considering they're an agency whose job is to deal with incidents caused by beings from another world who have a logic different that people from Septia's.

Probably for the same reason most wars start. No reason appears to have been given thus far in the lore.

If you have more questions, I'd recommend going to the wiki. They have translated several pieces of information about the lore.

About time I finished this. Liked the first half but the second half got a bit heavy handed with the happy ending. In the end it was still enjoyable especially since it's an original, I mean, card games, don't have much source material. Still it was just average and sadly I don't think it will sell well enough for a sequel. If we do get one... hoping for Zeus as a bad guy

For me, they were the best part of the show. Their trance design could have been better though

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A sequel, or at least another anime, has already been confirmed.

As for Zeus, according to translations of the stories associated with the second booster pack on the wiki, he is the Big Good of Tetraheaven.

edited 12th Apr '16 3:15:10 PM by PhantomBladewing

May I have a source on the sequel being confirmed? AFAIK sales aren't good

>Zeus a good guy
Ugh... That's disappointing

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Here's the confirmation.

What's wrong with Zeus being a good guy?

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Zeus, the god who's famous for being unable to keep his chiton down and is responsible, directly and indirectly, for the deaths who knows how many mortals because of it. Including, at least in part, the entire damn Trojan War?

Jerkass Gods applies to most of them. I don't exactly expect this to be historically (or mythologically, rather) accurate.

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Bumping. The new series has started and is very enjoyable thus far if you're a fan of cute girls doing cute things.

What kind of fluffy sugary shit is this? This is not what I expected when I heard a new Luck & Logic series is coming on air this season.

Whoa, wasn't expecting a CGDCT story in this show. At all.

Well, it looks like it's gonna be fun.

Heh, things are so peaceful, Chloe and Yukari have time to be on the airwaves.