Jessica Jones

Was that just implied or absolutely stated back in season 1 because there is a bit of a difference.

When Jessica visits Trish's mother in order to warn her to stay away she says that Jessica has kept her away from Trish since the court battles against her. I can't remember the precise wording, but it was more than just implied, it was outright stated. You could have gotten away with her lying to Jessica about it, but not with Jessica having knowingly send Trish back to her to "get help" (and that is really the biggest nonsense ever, you DON'T send a labil person back to someone who is partly responsible for their state of mind in the first place, no matter how well-meaning said person is).

edited 14th May '18 2:00:19 PM by Swanpride

Court Battles could certainly imply that it was not a one and done sort of thing and thing about a leach is that they tend to want their meal ticket healthy to keep exploiting them so not hard to believe that Trish's mother would help her daughter even if for her own selfish reasons. Which is the better option than what Trish was currently doing.

It would only mean that another court case possibly occurred which proceeds with Trish being independent again with better results this time.

edited 14th May '18 2:23:09 PM by Darthwyn

Oh, come on! That is stretching it.

Plus, the fact that Jessica (and the show itself) presents sending someone back to their abuser is a good way to help them with their mental problem is what bothers me way, way more.

While Trish's mother is certainly a terrible person, she is someone Trish can depend on to help her with a drug problem. I saw Jessica telling Trish to go back to her as Trish crossing the Godzilla Threshold. Like: "I know you hate her, I hate her too, but you've gone too far and you need her to help bring you back."

Like, yeah, she's horrible and abusive, but she's also reliable and helpful. Go to her if you're in a crisis, get the fuck out of Dodge when you're better.

edited 14th May '18 6:31:56 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

She is abusive. She is part of the reason for Trish's drug problem in the first place. It is like saying "look, I knew your husband hit you, but you are currently really in trouble so better ask him for help". No! Just NO! you don't let people like this in. And it is not like they couldn't find a good clinic to help Trish themselves.

Krysten Ritter will be directing an episode in the third season

https://news.avclub.com/krysten-ritter-to-make-her-directorial-debut-in-season-1827208678

I'm kind of ok with it. Jessica doesn't always have to be perfect with her knowledge on how to do with an abusive situation. She's what? 19? I don't expect a 19 year old to always deal with everything perfectly, especially when we tend to still have that mind set of 'Parents might be mad and awful but they still look out for us, right?' even when we have evidence to the contrary. As the drama and the bad stuff gets worse, you kind of just want to find someone who will make things right, even if it is less 'right' and more 'just slightly better' than now.

Its not the perfect explanation, but I'm going with it since the show takes pains to show how flawed the characters are. And Jessica's experience of 'Go back to your mother' might inform how she has evolved to 'No, fuck your mother no matter what'.

It also might be a case of Early Installment Wierdness. Season 1 was a whole and complete story arc that was left open for Season 2. In order to explore Jessica and Trish's relationship, they need to challenge their devotion to each other and make mistakes that inform who they are later on.

I would also point out it is completely an every day thing for people to see themselves inaccuratly to who they are or what they've actually done. Its a human thing to do. For example, if someone were to ask if I'm a cheater (as in, would I cheat on a test or something, not infidelity) I'd say no, but I also realize that I HAVE cheated on math tests before in the past. Do I see myself as a cheater? No and I've certainly refused the option to my own detriment before, but I still cheated on a test in the past.

Does that make any sense or am I rambling?

That would have been okay if that show would have represented it as questionable decision. But it doesn't. It presents it as a reasonable decision which saved Trish's life. There is no nuance whatsoever in it.

Considering the end result is still the same of Trish living away from her mother sounds more like a temporary solution to save Trish and knock some sense into her since options would be actually stay clean or be used because you didn't have the sense to take care of yourself.

I'd have to rewatch the episode, but is it protrayed as the right thing, or what Jessica THINKS is the right thing? Because I think there's a difference and doesn't the series dip into Protagonist Centered Morality a bit?

It's portrayed as the right thing. Trish's mother is consistently portrayed as the one who would look out for Trish in situations like this, though there is a note of self-interest involved in it because he will also protect Trish's reputation while she is ad it. And that goes completely against how she is portrayed in the first season, as someone whose mere presence might push Trish over the edge.

The second season of Jessica Jones was technically already written before The Defenders started filming, and Melissa Rosenberg had to delay production because of it. It is also probably why the second season didn't so much as mention the events of The Defenders and acts like it's set right after Iron Fist season 1, unlike Luke Cage Season 2 where we hear lots of mentions and references.

This begs the question: if the events of Jessica Jones season 2 happened before The Defenders instead of after, how different would Jessica's arc would've been in the miniseries? I can think of a few differences off the top of my head: namely, Matt and Jessica would have some additional bonding due to the whole matter of losing the two main people in their support network. I think it would also change things for Matt as far as his revealing Elektra is concerned, because Jessica would probably notice parallels between what Dr. Malus did to her mom and what the Hand may have done to Elektra. In fact, instead of calling him out, I could see Jessica immediately understanding and sympathizing with him. In fact, maybe she'd have convinced Matt a lot sooner that Elektra might be a lost cause, which would have the side effect of him being less inclined to stay behind during the climax at Midland Circle.

That's actually a very interesting idea. Kinda wish it'd turned out like that now.

Funny thing about The Defenders is, Jessica probably has the least connection to the conflict.

We know how Matt and Danny tie in. Luke gets involved via being asked by Misty to investigate the disappearance of kids in Harlem.

Jessica...well she actively tried not to get involved, but in classic Jessica fashion, found herself in too deep. Plus no one from her cast is directly affected by it the way Luke, Danny and Matt's are.

So Defenders having very little affect on JJ Season 2 isn't that much of a shock, but the info you've revealed puts another (more realistic spin) on it.

Don't go to Jess for advice: https://imgur.com/a/6ky3Ckg

How is that not something that was already known?

I'll admit Trish got on my nerves after what she put a lot of people through with her selfish actions, but honestly, I feel like the Internet's hate boner for Trish after season 2 is from people who don’t seem to understand the concept of a character arc; which is that a character grows and changes over time, they don't always stay likable, and they don't always make rational choices all the time.

I don't see Trish becoming a villain. All this development of season 2 means a lot, but I don't see Jessica rejecting Trish. The relationship will have a huge bump at the beginning of season 3, but it kinda needs to end with Jessica forgiving Trish, because they are sisters, and demonizing Trish will just be nothing more than a rehash of season 2's "the powered villain is someone who has a familial connection to Jessica".

I think nobody honestly believes that Trish is going to become a villain. What they do believe however is that she and Jessica will clash due to different methods of heroism/vigilantism.

I wonder what they'll do to deal with Jeri's ALS. I think the best thing that could happen is that Jeri appears in Iron Fist season 2 and Danny cures her with the Iron Fist. Sure, quick magical cures might weaken stories dealing with illness (like Foggy’s cancer diagnosis in Daredevil vol. 3, and the fact that Matt didn’t just drag him over to the Sanctum Santorum and have it Sorcerer Supreme'd out of him), but it just feels right. Jeri's arc in Jessica Jones season 2 struck into the horror of her diagnosis, and I don’t think her future story would be best served by following her continuing physical decline and torment. Having Danny cure her with the Iron Fist would allow him to use his healing ability on her, and give him and Jeri a massive bonding opportunity that could shift their dynamic, and maybe Jeri and Jessica's dynamic. While Jeri might be initially skeptical that Danny really can heal with the Iron Fist, he could probably talk her into it.

Danny is still getting stronger and mastering his powers, as we saw in his appearance in Luke Cage season 2, so it just makes sense that the writers might use the Iron Fist to cure Jeri and keep her around in the shows.

Of course, it's entirely possible she'll live through Iron Fist S2 and be okay for Jessica Jones S3, and then either spiral downward there or get killed by non-ALS-related causes.

Isn't ALS a really slow moving illness? There is no need to hurry anything with it....

Though, they could always shake things up and kill her off if the actress wants out. A two/three season run isn't a bad return here and she was clearly memorable.

Dr. Zakarian had said the ALS could take up to eight years to kill Jeri. It really depends on what the writers want to do with the stories.

Even if Jeri is doomed to die by ALS, I'd like for there to be a scene where Danny at least attempts to heal her, just to make clear there wasn't an easy way out.

Followed by Jeri selling her marriage to the devil.

Wait, she already did that.