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Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#1: Jun 22nd 2015 at 3:25:36 PM

Here's a collage of several Final Girls defending themselves in the climax of their works.

Pictured are Laurie Strode from Halloween, Sidney Prescott from Scream, and Ginny from Friday the 13th Part 2.

edited 22nd Jun '15 3:25:53 PM by Morgenthaler

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#2: Jun 23rd 2015 at 7:42:02 AM

Honestly, I'm not sure that any one pic would get this across without a lampshade...you'd almost need a collage of all the dead characters plus the one that's left.

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#3: Jun 23rd 2015 at 7:52:14 AM

Yeah, these are not good illustrations of the trope.

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lexicon Since: May, 2012
#4: Jun 23rd 2015 at 9:44:09 AM

It would be better if you show how she defeats the killer then showing her afraid with a weapon. That way we know he's not going to kill any more.

DeeJay Since: Oct, 2012
#5: Jun 23rd 2015 at 10:38:15 AM

Well, I think it's a solid image. I personally like it very much since the characters as we know them are diverse yet similar, demonstrating a pattern or trope. Expanding the image to show other classic final girls like Jess Bradford, Alice Hardy, or Ellen Ripley (all three take up a weapon in their final confrontations too) may expand and show its diversity. The benefit of having a collage shows that there is a legit trope here.

For simplicity's sake though, you could probably just show Laurie Strode's image with the knife (without the other ones) and it would work just as well just because she's the gold standard and Trope Codifier, embodying the trope at its core (the wholesome main girl who outlives her friend and confronts the killer at the end).

It just depends on what tropers want for the page.

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#6: Jun 23rd 2015 at 11:48:43 AM

Who?

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#7: Jul 6th 2015 at 7:11:03 AM

^^ That's basically my line of reasoning for the collage. The point where they take up the killer's weapon is the defining point in the Final Girl's character arc, and showing several examples of that establishes that it is a recognizable and tropeable pattern in media. It's far better than just a random character picture, and unless there's concern for rampant misuse because the image is thought to be misleading, I would think that it's far preferable to having the page imageless.

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DeeJay Since: Oct, 2012
#8: Jul 19th 2015 at 6:33:11 AM

I say use the image. It illustrates the trope at its core and is much better than leaving the page imageless.

Leaper Since: May, 2009
#9: Jul 19th 2015 at 8:53:06 PM

I agree completely with post 2: take one of the photos used in the suggestion, and group it with pictures of all the fatalities in the same movie with big red X's over them or something like that (maybe combine with a Kindaichi Case Files style thing where the pics of the deceased are in black and white instead of color).

I think something like that would be clearer and more succinct (as opposed to having a bunch of different, somewhat redundant pictures from different properties in one illustration).

edited 19th Jul '15 8:57:57 PM by Leaper

DeeJay Since: Oct, 2012
#10: Jul 21st 2015 at 8:47:20 AM

Are you thinking something like this? I found various images online of the victims (and their vices) of Halloween (the Trope Codifier) along with the wholesome and innocent Laurie Strode confronting the killer at the end, knife and all.

The Final Girl - Halloween (1978)

My only concern is if any of these fall under copyright since none of these images are my own. I am always a bit unsure of the rules of that and such.

edited 21st Jul '15 9:16:25 AM by DeeJay

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#11: Jul 21st 2015 at 9:29:36 AM

[up] They should be fine, I'm 99.9999% certain they're still shots from the movie and one frame from an hours-long production is about as "excerpt" as it gets. I like that collage.

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#12: Jul 21st 2015 at 11:37:59 AM

Even an entire frame of a film that's only 10 seconds long is less than half of one percent of the work.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
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#13: Jul 21st 2015 at 12:05:19 PM

^^^ It's not going to get any clearer than that.[tup]

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#15: Aug 4th 2015 at 6:29:38 AM

Bump; anyone else for 10?

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#16: Aug 4th 2015 at 8:21:01 AM

[tup] for 10.

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#18: Aug 4th 2015 at 6:25:11 PM

What does 10 represent? Characters that didn't make it and the one that does? It's not really clear to me. [tdown]

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#19: Aug 5th 2015 at 12:22:25 AM

Yes. What about, in addition to the color difference, a red diagonal line (or even an X) was added over each of those frames?

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DeeJay Since: Oct, 2012
#20: Aug 6th 2015 at 5:46:44 PM

Would you support the collage if Annie, Bob, and Linda's pictures in the above (#10) collage each had a skull to designate death to the character, while leaving Laurie Strode's image alone?

R.I.P. Annie, skull attachment

If you guys think the skulls work, I can do it for the other images as well and put the collage back together to look as it does above with the addition of the skulls to indicate death to the characters. I think the skull makes the point without using lines.

R.I.P. Annie, crossed out

As for the crossed-out images, I will concede that the first movie to ever use a 'slasher' formula (and final girl trope) (1932's Thirteen Women) utilized a similar technique in its narrative, where the killer has images of her soon-to-be victims and she's crossing them out as she's killing them. The similarity of that to this would probably be a good case for supporting this method. But am I the only one who feels this makes the image look a bit tacky and/or awkward?

edited 6th Aug '15 5:58:09 PM by DeeJay

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#21: Aug 6th 2015 at 6:49:56 PM

I think a cross works.

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#22: Aug 7th 2015 at 1:35:55 AM

I prefer a skull and crossbones. It's more thematic and leaves the deceased's vice more clearly visible then there would be if a red cross was drawn over it.

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#23: Aug 7th 2015 at 6:40:34 AM

Honestly, I think the red overlay is distinctive enough.

DeeJay Since: Oct, 2012
#24: Aug 13th 2015 at 3:47:39 PM

Alright, tropers. Sorry for the delay, I wanted to see if any one else had an opinion. I do agree that perhaps just the red overlay alone might lead to some ambiguity in terms of what the collage is to represent. I think the skull and crossbones is my preferred option to distinguish the victims from Laurie's in the collage, as opposed to literally crossing the image of the victims out.

The Final Girl - Halloween (1978)

What does everyone think of this (updated) collage? Does adding the little skulls to each victim clear up any ambiguity about what each photo means to anybody who may not understand the trope?

Assuming we have the image as close as we are gonna get to what the trope stands for, when do we add it to the trope's page?

edited 13th Aug '15 3:51:41 PM by DeeJay

lexicon Since: May, 2012
#25: Aug 13th 2015 at 4:35:47 PM

Maybe it's just me but this feels like the old Wicked Stepmother image. It doesn't look like there's any way the alive girl can defeat the attacker.


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