Well, it is the assumption underlying the Protagonist Title Fallacy, so I don't think it's a good idea to cut it completely, but I think it would probably serve that purpose just as well as an example-less definition page that doesn't allow wicking.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.Yeah agree there, chop the examples. But why is Protagonist Title Fallacy YMMV? It is 'a work is named after a character and that character is not the protag of the work' right? That isn't YMMV at all.
^ Because it requires an assumption on the part of the reader that the title actually names the protagonist and not an item, the antagonist, a setting...
Most titles aren't the name of the protagonist and the assumption isn't that they are. There's no requirement that a Protagonist Title Fallacy has to be the name of a character at all.
edited 7th May '15 8:46:28 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickI guess so. I personally just assume that any Character Title would be a Protagonist Title as standard and the examples seem to be that.
EDIT: Character Title is one for the example chop list too.
edited 7th May '15 9:27:32 PM by Memers
I don't think it's cuttable, and I don't think the examples lacking context is reason to remove them. In most cases, unlike other tropes, there's context in the actual title of the work. The most important context, even.
Whether it's boring to read is subjective and thus completely irrelevant.
Check out my fanfiction!Make it a Trivia item.
Trivia is when something is outside the work. Both the fact that a character is The Protagonist and the title of work are in the work.
The name of the character is not sufficient context. Antagonist Title have not the same ZCE problem, despite their examples having the same level of context in the name of their works, because the examples in question at least mention that the character in question is the antagonist.
In other words, it's a problem that can be solved with a different solution than not being arsed to do anything and just getting rid of it?
edited 8th May '15 8:51:02 AM by AnotherDuck
Check out my fanfiction!Antagonist Title demonstrates the result of demanding something be put after the name of the work, even if there is nothing more to be said. In many cases the "context" is just stating the obvious ("same-name-as-the-work is the Big Bad") or going off on a tangent (the name of the protagonist being a common one).
In my opinion, if there is nothing to be explained about the relationship of the title and the character (the title is just the character's name), writing something extra just to have a longer example is not an improvement.
We have ZCE index categories like Films of the 1950s. How would they relate to a category of title indices as this one?
Indexes are for sorting of works like sorting by decade, genre, creator, trope types and so on. They are mostly ok for ZC Es because is all about the sorting and not an actual trope.
This isn't really an index worthy page as it doesn't really sort any of those and being named after the protagonist isn't worthy of that any of that.
edited 10th May '15 6:00:46 PM by Memers
True; this is a meta- Naming Conventions trope. One naming convention for works is to name it after a character ( Character Title). More specifically, works named for their main character.
edited 10th May '15 7:37:25 PM by crazysamaritan
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.Make it an examples-less defintion page that doesn't allow wicking.
Basically what Mad said in post 2.
edited 16th Dec '15 11:44:02 PM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?Sounds like we need a crowner on this one. We've got cut, exampleless definition page...anything else for options?
I see no grounds for disallowing examples of Protagonist Title. Those are for tropes which really are ubiquitous or tend too much towards Flame Bait.
Besides, the repair of Character Title is still ongoing; this being a major subtrope, it should remain at least for the moment.
An alternate plan would be to make an example rubric for this one saying that you need to give:
- The name of the work
- The name of the protagonist.
- What qualifies that specific person as the main protagonist.
- (Optional) Explain how the title and the protagonist relate if it isn't immediately obvious.
Ex.: Fullmetal Alchemist is about the journies of Edward Eldrich who earns the title of Full Metal Alchemist upon becoming a state alchemist.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickThis is tropeworthy...
IMHO, the examples should be deleted, with a short description and a note to not add examples. Like this:
Naming titles after their protagonists is one of the most popular title conventions in fiction, to the point that when a title isn't named the main character, everybody will assume they're the main character even though they're not. As this is so common, avoid adding examples to this page. See also yada yada yada. Compare to yada yada yada.
edited 24th Dec '15 8:37:29 AM by YasminPerry
I could get behind that.
I can get behind that.
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This list is almost entirely ZC Es. It's amazingly boring to read, and apparently conveys no information worth mentioning to the reader.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick