Duplicate Trope: Deadly Fireworks Display

Deadly Fireworks Display seems to be a The Same But More Specific duplicate of Technicolor Death. TCD was launched with a ykttw in 2009, DFD without one in 2010. Canonical List of Subtle Trope Distinctions offers no distinction, but according to the trope's description, Deadly Fireworks Display is a:

Subtrope of Technicolor Death, the key difference being that the death is always flashier than most Technicolor deaths really are. (For example, the Wicked Witch of the West would count as a Technicolor death, but it's not flashy enough to count as a deadly fireworks display.) For the version of this trope that shows a more pleasant end, see Disappears into Light.

In other words, the only distinction is a vague and subjective notion of bein even "flashier" than Technicolor Death, and engages in Fan Myopia in an attempt to establish that difference. On the bright side there isn't too much overlap in the examples, and with 38 current wicks for DFD I wouldn't exactly call it underused, but the definition as it is problematic and seemingly redundant to the other trope.

yeah, how do you define it being "flashier"? That seems to be a pretty subjective criteria for what is ostensibly an objective trope. I say move all the examples to Technicolor Death and cut this.

So this isn't about actual firework accidents that are well deadly? lol.

It needs a rename at best but I do agree with .

I don't see any convincing reason this isn't just The Same, but More Specific.

There are a few overlapping examples, although I wonder if the main reason there aren't more is the smallish page sizes.

I was actually brought to this trope by a literal example from Final Destination 3, and had about the same reaction upon reading the description. "Fireworks as something deadly" at least has potential as a trope (provided it doesn't run afoul of the current weapons cleanup thread by simply encompassing every use of fireworks as an Improvised Weapon), but "Technicolor Death Only More So" certainly doesn't.

edited 3rd May '15 7:08:31 AM by Morgenthaler

Weaponized Pyrotechnics are not Fireworks arnt quite a 'display'.

However Pyrotechnic and firework display accidents and such are a thing in fiction, from the small scale injuries due to fireworks to deaths. Sometimes with a Do Not Try This at Home message attached to it or a coverup for a murder.

Then there is the cartoon thing where someone rides a rocket into the air and it explodes into a firework that is usually shaped like the person who was riding it.

In a bit of real life accidents that affected TV there was that Michael Jackson accident with that Pepsi commercial where he ended up badly burned back in the 80s.

edited 3rd May '15 8:05:28 AM by Memers

So to revive and resolve this, it seems like there's a consensus that the trope overlaps with Technicolor Death. Current proposals:

• Cut Deadly Fireworks Display, move current examples to Technicolor Death.
• YKTTW a trope for literal Deadly Fireworks.

Sound about right?

Cut please.

Sounds like the right thing to do.

More thoughts? Or shall we crowner this for a single-prop?

Yes, a crowner would be good.

Crowner's made.

Disagree with 'cut', move current examples over yes but this really needs a trope transplant for actually harm done by fireworks such as burns, deaths, dismemberment, and so on. There are quite a few examples out there including Michael Jackson.

edited 24th Aug '15 8:43:35 AM by Memers

Let's see how many examples there are. We can always cut and take that trope to YKTTW. Cutting doesn't mean it can't pick the name up later.

OK here with a Single Proposition crowner?

I think page action. One for cutting. One for taking the Fireworks Accident trope to YKTTW.

I also agree that we should at least have something for fireworks used to kill/harm people (accidentally or very intentionally). Few examples what come to mind right away:

• Shan-Yu in Mulan dies after Mulan shoots a firework at him what blows up on him.
• I forgot how the thing went, but I remember that there was one stage in Sengoku Basara 3 where Kanetsugu gets launched up by a firework (he gets better). I need to check it.
• For more intentional usage of deadly fireworks, Hanabi from Senran Kagura uses fireworks as part of her fighting style.
• Same applies to Panda King from Sly Cooper
• One of the powers in Kid Icarus: Uprising is called "Celestial Firework" what creates a firework explosion. It gets used again in Palutena's moveset in Super Smash Bros..
• Jubilee when she was a mutant had the power to create what she likes to call "fireworks", though how lethal they are is based on her mood.

I suppose I can see your point. They don't always end in death after all.

That said, we are currently getting rid of the Weapon Of Choice tropes. Not adding new ones.

edited 24th Aug '15 9:36:23 AM by shimaspawn

It is not a 'Weapon Of Choice' though it is something that we have been drilled into via warnings and The More You Know PS As that are deadly and actually show the deadly part.

Wether it's used as a weapon, using them in an unsafe manor, running into a fireworks factory with a flaming car or simply a misfire or an explosion, It doesn't really matter it's fireworks they are dangerous and it goes for/against all the 'safe and sane' crap that people teach. Edit: and they always use Roman Candle and noisy flares in the ground based versions.

edited 24th Aug '15 10:03:20 AM by Memers

Yeah, my intention was to point how fireworks can be used to harm people, either accidentally or intentionally. I am sure in some Western Animation like Looney Tunes that stuff happen either way, though I cannot recal examples. Maybe you got the wrong idea when most of the examples were intentional usage of fireworks (note that the Kanetsugu example is the "accident" version, where he gets knocked into a giant firework launcher and then shot out from it as a human firework).

Here's a new page action crowner. Are all the options on there?

Crowner is attached now.

Looks like there's strong support for all three options, so cut this, create new trope under Fireworks Accident, and move overlap to Technicolor Death.

Calling it; make it so.

Finished the preliminary cleaning in Deadly Fireworks Display. Examples varied from:

• Death By Fireworks.
• Zero Context Examples.
• Technicolor Death.
• Defeat Equals Explosion.
• Like, Totally Cool death scene, man.

Will now merge the overlap and YKTTW the remainder.

edited 10th Oct '15 2:17:22 PM by Morgenthaler