Network Decay

Why does Network Decay have no banner but Magazine Decay does? Honestly, it is not an example of Your Mileage May Vary, either it sticks to what it started with, or it doesn't. Maybe they belongs in trivia rather than the main tab but the point about two identical pages being on different tabs stands. Magazine decay is network decay but more specific.

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes

If you want to propose YMMV, it goes in TRS now.

edited 2nd Jan '15 4:48:41 PM by crazysamaritan

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

I don't want to propose your mileage may vary. My stance wasn'y clearly the opposite?

What banner it is on really isn't the important part anyway, that the same page is essentially on two different banners is. Why are they?

edited 2nd Jan '15 2:17:00 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes

Your stance is getting even further muddled.

• I think these tropes are trivia
• I think these tropes are the same page
• I think Magazine Decay should not be YMMV
• I think Network Decay should be YMMV

These are all possible interpretations of what you've posted. Any of the above issues are resolved through TRS, except making them Trivia Tropes.

If you wanted the process of how Magazine Decay was voted on, you'd need to check the projects morgue for locked YMMV threads.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

edited 2nd Jan '15 8:53:10 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

This is has been real productive hasn't it?

Both pages should either be on the main tab or the trivia. Neither should have the your mileage may vary banner. Whatever banner they get should be the same for both because they are essentially the same page. Is that clear enough?

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes

The 'Decay' tropes are, or are mostly, YMMV because they aren't about a factual analysis of the situation so much as people's opinions about the thing in question. I have had my fill of examples that amount to little more than people having a bitchfest, and that's what we'll get if they go in Main or in Trivia. At least in YMMV it's clear that it's someone's opinion.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

You're saying Magazine Decay should not be YMMV and they're duplicate tropes. That's a TRS issue, not a wiki talk issue.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

What mileage is there to vary about? Something started about something and changed to be about something else. It happens, whether you like it or not is irrelevant. I noticed the different banners while editing Black Rose. Does that example look bitchy or judgmental to you?

Admittedly, I posted here out of habit. Wiki talk used to have thread for moving banners. If that's a trope repair shop function now there isn't anything to indicate it. These are not tropes as the website defines and I don't wish to "repair" anything, just to swap. I have no issues with the definitions nor entries, I don't wish for a lock or cut. I don't think there is any misuse or violation of wiki policy in need of addressing to make switching possible.

I'll live with Network Decay being placed on the Your Mileage May Vary, tab, though it shouldn't be. These are not tropes but trope worthiness isn't really the issue. I've stated my case for why that should be trivia but Magazine Decay and Network Decay are only on different pages because folders and multiple sub pages weren't a thing yet. How did they end up on different tabs in the first place? I'm not calling for a merger. Don't care about how many wicks either has, they are not snow clones, the names are not ambiguous, repair shop doesn't list an option for this. I suppose this could move to projects short term or long. There might even be a repair shop discussion at a later date. Maybe Fighteer has an issue with the word decay? It's challenged by Villain Decay being on the main tab but that's the only repair shop discussion I see here, it's not one I started.

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes

It was a Long term project.

That thread is now in the projects morgue.

The thread can still be read here.

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The statements "they are essentially the same page" and " I'm not calling for a merger. " display cognitive dissonance.

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"" It happens, whether you like it or not is irrelevant."" << YMMV is not restricted to "you may or may not like it", it means "you may or may not agree". Not everyone agrees what the original focus was, or what the focus has shifted to. Not everyone may agree that Details was focused on gay activism, and may instead believe it was always a men's magazine that talked about social issues, beauty tips, and targeted advertising. The shift in ownership doesn't dictate a corresponding shift in subject.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Cognitive dissonance? Maybe if you don't read the pages themselves and ignore everything else I type.

Network decay deals with tv networks that start with a certain focus that they later move away from. It also deals with theme parks, radio stations, websites, stores, hotels, stores and festivals. What makes magazines different enough in that context to get their own page? Nothing, does, but I didn't ask for the pages to merged. I simply pointed out that both pages are talking about the same thing. Besides happening in different forms of media there is no difference between network decay and magazine decay, had the pages been made yesterday they likely wouldn't even be separate pages.

But I'm not asking for a merger, just for a decision on which banner they have, since they are both talking about the same thing. It'd be like Giant Space Flea from Nowhere and Diabolus Ex Vacuus being on different tabs, if The Mole and Reverse Mole were on different tabs. Yeah, they're slightly different in subject matter, but only in that they're overly literal, both pairs of pages describe the same phenomenon (an antagonist that shows up to for the sake of something happening and a someone who joins a group with intent to betray it)

You can keep arguing for the your mileage may vary tab, fine. Can you put forth an argument as to why Network Decay should not be on the tab and Magazine Decay should? This shouldn't be that complicated.

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes

Again, that is a TRS question.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

I don't think it is very YMMV I mean when the Sci-Fi channel starts airing CSI and the Cartoon Network starts airing non-cartoons is pretty objective.

It's come up in TRS before. There was discussion on renaming it to Channel Drift or Network Drift to avoid the negative connotations of "Decay". It was also pointed out that this is one of the Tropes On Wikipedia, so it's certainly an objectively occurring phenomenon.

The result of the thread was a coordinated cleanup effort with several tropers volunteering to curate it. A quick glance shows that it's still pretty nattery, so I guess that was either never finished or didn't stick.

edited 4th Jan '15 2:13:33 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."

crazysamaritan. I'm not demanding an action based on this next question. Just a yes or no answer.

Are the descriptions of Network Decay and Magazine Decay fundamentally different in anyway?

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes

My opinion is that the difference between pages is the same as Super-Trope and Sub-Trope.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

And what makes it a subtrope as applied to magazines and not The Same But More Specific, that doesn't apply to the numerous other phenomena described by NetworkDecay.Influences On Other Media?

That wasn't a yes or no. What you fail to realize is that you haven't provided one logical reason why they should be on different tabs. Sure, the rational answer is that the process we went about such things is slow an inefficient but that's a poor reason for just leaving it there. Magazine decay is fundamentally the same thing as network decay, just with a smaller scope. If network decay was deemed worthy of its current tab by popular decision, through the repair shop, then magazine decay should have followed it there. This isn't anymore complicated than admitting pebbles and boulders are both rocks.

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes

What you fail to realize is that you haven't provided one logical reason why they should be on different tabs.

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I didn't fail to realize that, I've been intentionally avoiding that because this is Wiki Talk. I've been providing answers based on Wiki or Forum policies.

The policy for deciding how to make a page YMMV has changed recently, so I provided an explanation for the change, and I've provided links to the past decisions. There is no policy that prevented you from opening up a thread in TRS to begin discussing Network Decay there, and I encouraged you to do so immediately.

I'm sorry for not saying "yes", but I expected that you would be demanding "why" afterward, so I answered that question first.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

My position is clear. Why is Network Decay not YMMV, but Magazine Decay is? Anyone got an explanation?

It's inconsistent. Should be both or either, but I see nothing YMMV about Magazine Decay as it's written. It's not really what we think of as a trope, though.

edited 9th Jan '15 12:11:52 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Been following this thread for a while, decided to add my USD $0.02.

My current idea is to merge both pages under Network Decay (on the grounds that Magazine Decay is The Same, but More Specific) and to put the merged page under Trivia. As Fighteer said, this isn't a trope as we think of it, but the idea's objective enough to stay out of YMMV, needing at most occasional curation. If we absolutely must keep a separate description for Magazine Decay, well, Internal Subtropes are a thing. If they have to remain separate pages, then they should both be under the same banner (again, leaning toward Trivia at the moment), for consistency.

"I'm pregnant, and I'm losing my mind."

They should be retitled from 'Decay' to 'Drift'. "Decay" gives the wrong impression.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Should this go to TRS then?

That's what Crazy has been shouting from the rooftops for the last several posts. Yes, this should go to TRS.