Yu-Gi-Oh In General

Well that answers the question.

It's really annoying when she's tagged in fics and you can't tell if people tagged her because they like her or dislike her.

EDIT: I just realized that besides the Mokuba soul card thing from the anime and the Mr. Karita punishment in the Toei anime, there was one other instance where someone got a Penalty Game without playing a Shadow Game beforehand.

In the manga Pegasus gave Keith a Penalty Game despite his duel with Joey not being a Shadow Game! He said it was a punishment for cheating, but that was still a duel with Joey, not Pegasus. Or maybe the punishment was the game, since Keith has the whole Russian Roulette thing going. …Though if that was the case it’s possible he could’ve survived it.

(In the manga it was implied that Pegasus/Bakura played and won games with their victims off panel. I think. I always figured he did a staring contest with Mokuba in the anime or something and just waited on the punishment XD)

edited 3rd Jul '16 11:04:01 PM by lalalei2001

Greg Abbey, the voice of Yusei, and Michael Liscio Jr., the voice of Yuya, are at this year’s North American World Championship Qualifiers. And tomorrow they’ll have a scripted duel!

…It’d be funny if he dueled Yuya as Tristan, since he also voices him XD

http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/events/2016/2016WCQ_NorthtAm_FAQ.html

EDIT: The remastered Duel Monsters episodes are at the Kaiba versus Joey duel in Battle City. I wonder if they’ll go through season 4 and the KC Grand Prix or skip to the final arc! Season 1 kept all of its episodes, but they skipped the Virtual World in season 3.

http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/yugioh-dmbc/episodes/index.html

edited 13th Jul '16 4:26:20 PM by lalalei2001

hey people with SA forum accounts there's an LP of forbidden memories going up here

idk if the paywall is up on LP right now, hopefully it's not so people without one can see!

Paywall isn't up atm.

There's actually a fan project to make a sequel to this game with new cards and rebalanced rules and stuff, but I believe it's far from done.

Forbidden Mmeories 2, right? The original FM got a big fan mode community, especially in Brazil. I heard FM 2 will have Marik in it!

Yeah. There's also apparently a modded version of the original game which makes it possible to obtain all the cards.

I find it pretty funny that even though DSOD is based on the famously violent and bloody manga, in the movie it's not as violent. Characters are sent to other dimensions and bloodlessly attacked by shadows. Even the Japanese version of the anime had some blood in scenes XD

Plus the other dimension thing is funny in of itself due to the Shadow Realm.

edited 18th Jul '16 9:02:33 PM by lalalei2001

Sssssssssssspoooooooooilerrrrrrr tag that.

EDIT: Thank you.

edited 19th Jul '16 5:57:27 AM by thebandragoness

You know, you haven't actually seen the movie yet. You don't know whether or not there is blood in it. And don't say that the recaps don't mention blood because recaps tend to leave that out.

Pyramid of Light didn't have blood, but it did have wine mentions, characters punching people onscreen, death, and the pyramid protruding from Anubis's skin in a horrifying closeup. Among other things.

I got my DSOD info from someone who saw the movie about 5 times XD; it kept getting re-screened for a really long time!

The Toei anime had bruises but very little blood.

edited 19th Jul '16 9:35:07 PM by lalalei2001

Does anyone know how to counter Negate Attack or prevent its effects?

Destroy it before the Battle Phase?

Flip Trap Stun or Royal Decree before you battle, destroy it, or use your own counter-trap to stop it.

You can always use a Counter Counter, unless your opponent has a Counter Counter in which case you'll need a Counter Counter to counter Counter Counter.

Negate Attack is not a Counter Trap, so you can't negate it with Counter Counter because Counter Counter counters Counters.

You're right. I always fought it was a Normal Trap.

edited 21st Jul '16 6:53:46 AM by Comun

Actually, Negate attack IS a Counter Trap card, so you can counter it using Counter Counter. Countering Counter Counter can only be done using another Counter Counter like stated above.

Or just use Seven Tools and spare the trouble.

edited 21st Jul '16 6:14:19 AM by Nickpws

To make things even more confusing, Counter Counter has a misprint as a normal trap. But normal traps aren't actually allowed to chain to counter traps, so the card kinda has to be a counter trap to work.

edited 21st Jul '16 7:12:32 AM by thebandragoness

This looks amazing! It’s an exhibit about the makings of each series called Road of Duelist.

http://www.yugioh-history20thten.com/

For the first time ever, Ryou Bakura actually has official, non-DSOD art and is on a poster! And Yami Bakura is also on a poster for the first time! (There is literally NO official anime art of Ryou aside from a sketchy expression sheet, and none of the Bakuras get much merchandise, if at all.)

Also, we finally found what goes with KaibaCorp milk! KaibaCorp cookies!

http://www.yugioh-history20thten.com/goods.html

EDIT: Kazuki Takahashi posted what we were all thinking: art of the Battle City finalists and Mokuba playing Pokemon Go. (Except Ryou and regular Marik and Yugi XD) Mokuba has his DSOD look and Mai has her pink Duel Links look!

https://www.instagram.com/kazuki_yugioh/

edited 23rd Jul '16 11:21:08 AM by lalalei2001

Yugi-tachi playing Pokemon Go!

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-07-26/yu-gi-oh-creator-draws-his-characters-playing-pokemon-go/.104708

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Yami Marik should NOT be allowed to play Pokemon Go.

He'd just terrify the fuck out of people.

Was skimming the thread and saw the discussion of the DOMA arc, as well as the suggestion that some people hate it just for being filler. I would like to note that I enjoyed the other two filler arcs. I liked the Virtual Nightmare arc, and I liked the KC Grand Prix arc. I thought the former did a good job at giving everybody, including the supporting characters, a chance to duel, while simultaneously wrapping up all the business with Gozaburo and the Big 5. I thought the latter was a decent breather arc before everything went to hell again in the Millennium World. But I loathe DOMA.

The main reason for that, of course, is Dartz. It's not because he's 10 000 years old and predates all the main conflict of the series. It's not because he owns a piece of "every company in the world." It's not because he's somehow behind everything bad that ever happened to his henchmen and was then able to manipulate them into working for him. It's not because even when he loses, he wins, because he can just claim the souls of his henchmen. It's not because one of those henchmen beat Yami under idiotic circumstances. It's not because he was able to raise his lifepoints over 20 000, or had a deck filled with nothing but overpowered cards, or summoned a monster with 20 000 attack points, or another with Infinite attack points (the ultimate cliche). It's not because he turned Mai to villainy. It's not because he has henchmen who can take down prior villains like Pegasus and himself ripped off Pegasus' move of taking down Kaiba. It's not even because he comes back after his defeat and magically summons his Leviathan anyway, has to be talked down rather than flatout defeated, and is easily forgiven and given his happy ending. No, it's because he's all those things.

If Dartz showed up in a fanfic we'd lynch the author for having written a Villain Sue. And we'd be right to do it too. He's got shades of the Red Hulk—with the caveat that he never gets his actual comeuppance. At the time that I was watching the show, I didn't know that the DOMA arc was filler—I thought it was a legitimate part of the storyline, and yet all those things about Dartz still pissed me off. They were trying so, so hard to make him more menacing than the likes of Pegasus, the Spirit of the Ring, and Dark Marik, and failing so, so miserably because rather than creating a compelling villain they just handed him a deck in which literally every card was completely broken and a relentlessly tiresome backstory and set of motivations.

I'll note for the record that I have no problem with a villain having an overpowered card in and of itself. But I have real issues with how DOMA handled it, in contrast to how it was done with prior villains. Pegasus, for instance, had a number of what were at the time, OP cards (Toon World, Relinquished, Thousand Eyes Restrict) but the whole point of that arc was that they were going up against the creator of the game. That he could access every single one of the game's rarest cards—and have in his possession cards which were never released to the general public—was a part of the challenge that he posed—how do you defeat the man who literally wrote the rules and made the cards? The Winged Dragon of Ra was the single most overpowered card in the show at the time of its introduction, but again, that was the whole point. From its first appearance when Odion failed to summon it, through to Dark Marik's defeat and Yami and Yugi's hands, there was an entire arc built around trying to find a way to bring down Ra. Mai, The Spirit of the Ring, and Joey all tried different strategies, and all of them failed, until Yami—with an assist from Kaiba—finally hit on the way to do it.

None of that is true with Dartz. He pulls out superpowered Orichalcos themed cards every time he draws. There's no build up to it, and no thrill either. His Divine Serpent, with its "Infinite attack points" is easily the worst offender (though far from the only one). Is it a card that was hyped up beforehand? No. Does Dartz so much as hint at its existence at any point prior to playing it? No. Does it have any connection to the ancient past to justify it being so powerful—or heck, even existing—like Ra and the other God cards did? No. Is it even an especially impressive looking monster like Exodia or the God cards or even Ultimate Blue Eyes? No. It's a bog-standard looking snake that sits over Dartz shoulder. Gansley's Rainbow Snake Eingana looked more intimidating, and it's a pretty bland card itself. If you're going to try and sell me on something as ludicrous as "Infinite attack points", could the card at least look good? Seriously, it should have filled the damn room.

You know what would have solved at least a few of my complaints? If instead of a deck filled with random Orichalcos monsters, and an "Infinite" powered snake we'd never heard of before and never saw again, Dartz's deck had been based around his goddamn Leviathan, in the same way Dark Marik's was based around Ra. He spends the entire arc, or so it seemed, monologuing about the Leviathan, and how powerful it was, and how it devastated the ancient world and would do so again, etc, etc, etc. It got a tonne of build up, and suspense gathered around it—and it's not even one of his cards. If the Infinite attack point monster he'd summoned had been the Leviathan—which whatever its faults as a plot device is at least a huge, impressive looking monster that had been talked up for a season—I'd have been a lot more accepting of it.

None of this is to say there aren't moments I like in the Dartz arc. I like Joey's duels with Rex and Valon. I like Kaiba's showdown with Alistair. But Dartz ruins a lot of it just by existing.

edited 26th Jul '16 9:18:23 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Spinoffs/fillers/Expanded Universes/whatever frequently try to upstage the source material villain-wise and it almost always falls pretty flat. Another good example, for instance, would be the Yuuzhan Vong killing more people in five years than the Empire did in twenty, and stuff like that.

I know. One of the reasons I appreciate the other filler arcs in Yu-Gi-Oh as much as I do is because they don't try to do that.

Siegfried is really only a problem for Kaiba that Yugi and his friends have to try and deal with because they happened to be at the tournament Siegfried tried to sabotage. The arc is also the closest we get to seeing what a regular tournament might look like, when dark magic isn't getting involved, and the guy throwing the tournament has no motive beyond publicity (Duelist Kingdom and Battle City, after all, were essentially giant traps, the former for Yugi, the latter for the Rare Hunters).

The Virtual Nightmare arc is interesting to me because of where it's fit. I know some people don't like that it interrupts the Battle City/Dark Marik arc, but I find it works precisely because of that. If Yugi and company lose here, not only do they lose their bodies, but Dark Marik likely jumps Noah and the Big 5 as soon as they make it back to reality and relieves them of the God cards and Yugi's puzzle. Noah himself is clearly not the duelist that either Pegasus or Dark Marik are (and before someone brings up Dark Marik's habit of relying on shadow magic to win, that's a pretty legitimate, if underhanded, trick in-universe), but because he controls the world and will cheat like hell he still manages to be somewhat threatening.

Dartz, conversely, just drops the ball and it spectacularly over the top fashion at that.

I'd also add that for all that they are inventions of the show, Noah and Siegfried feel far more organic to the storyline than Dartz does. They're not a part of the Ancient Egypt plot that Pegasus, Dark Marik, and the Spirit of the Ring all hail from, but they are a part of the KaibaCorp subplot that existed in the manga and that the show expanded upon. Dartz, conversely, isn't really connected to any of the show's major plotlines.

edited 26th Jul '16 9:37:00 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

I have seasons 1-3 and 5 and not 4 for all those Dartz reasons plus Rafael beating Yugi, Mai beating Pegasus, and Mai turning bad. ...Though it did give us good lines from Joey and Kaiba. XD;

"Let's close the door and run!"

I like the other filler arcs too, but my favorite is actually the Legendary Heroes arc from season 1. And Capsule Monsters, if that counts. And Pyramid of Light.

edited 26th Jul '16 10:12:53 PM by lalalei2001