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KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
#1: Nov 7th 2014 at 2:00:56 AM

The trope's a Self-Demonstrating Article.

Too much of a Self-Demonstrating Article.

So much, that it even crept into the examples (something we must never do).

The entire page's hard enough to read as is because we don't talk in the older version of English as portrayed in the trope anymore, so the description needs to be rewritten to at least include the modern English version for readability reasons.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2: Nov 7th 2014 at 8:33:37 AM

Aye, that is too much of it.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
doubleyouteeeff Political ends as sad remains will die from (Hudson) River running right on over my head Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
Political ends as sad remains will die
#3: Nov 7th 2014 at 9:26:47 AM

%% Image selected per Image Picking thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1348431169023340200 %% Pleaſe do not change or remove without ſtarting a new thread. [[quoteright:350:[[Webcomic/QuestionableContent https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/antiquated-linguistics_questionable-content_6727.png]]]] %% %% Do not trouble to put inſtances of the medial "ſ" in potholes, as it will not render properly on the final page. %%

Even the comments?? Could be dialled back a bit.

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#4: Nov 7th 2014 at 9:50:24 AM

Move it to the Self-Demostrating namespace and make the Main a clean copy. Does that really need discussion?

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gallium Since: Oct, 2012
#5: Nov 7th 2014 at 9:55:38 AM

[up]"Does that really need discussion?"...Yes. I for one like the article as written and think it should be left alone. It's clever and interesting. I do agree that the example list needs to be rewritten into modern English.

edited 7th Nov '14 9:55:57 AM by gallium

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#6: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:27:11 AM

[up][up] That was exactly what I was thinking.

Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#7: Nov 7th 2014 at 1:26:32 PM

My thumb has decided to stand upright in support of moving the existing content over to Self Demonstrating followed by a rewrite.

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
#8: Nov 8th 2014 at 3:48:45 AM

@Gallium: Our priority of everything on this site is, in order, "Clear Concise Witty". We can't have a witty article at the expense of clarity.

Anyway, support Madrugada's proposal. It's telling that others like the joke if even the after-aforementioned Image Pickin' thread itself started out joining in on the self demonstrating itself, only for it to be Lampshaded and defied two posts later.

edited 8th Nov '14 3:50:29 AM by KarjamP

gallium Since: Oct, 2012
#9: Nov 8th 2014 at 6:21:25 AM

[up]Well, that's only if you grant that the article is unclear. Rewriting it would certainly destroy the "witty" part of that equation, and make the trope description dull.

edited 8th Nov '14 6:22:35 AM by gallium

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
#10: Nov 8th 2014 at 9:51:36 AM

That's just a sacrifice we have to make.

I didn't say I can't read it to get the trope out of it. I said it's difficult to read because its attempt to be witty's hindering the understanding of the article. This must not happen.

edited 8th Nov '14 9:53:08 AM by KarjamP

GnomeTitan Oversized Garden Ornament Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Oversized Garden Ornament
#11: Nov 10th 2014 at 6:57:41 AM

I agree with Karjam P.

Personally, I find the trope page as it is is a rather fun read, but it requires some concentration to parse and to penetrate the antiquated linguistics. This obscures the actual content. Also, as with most self-demonstrating pages, the joke gets tired very quickly. There's just too much of it.

Now imagine what it must be like for someone who does not appreciate the joke but is just looking for examples of trope usage. It's in fact not inconceivable that this may be somebody's Pet-Peeve Trope, and in that case the page will be a real pain to read.

edited 10th Nov '14 6:57:52 AM by GnomeTitan

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#12: Dec 10th 2014 at 4:10:23 AM

Clock is ticking.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Darksilverhawk Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#13: Dec 11th 2014 at 4:29:29 PM

It's cute in the description, but the examples need to be cleaned and written in standard English. It's too much and it makes the information difficult to get to. I could barely get through the first folder before I got sick of it. Split off a self-demonstrating version if you want, but those examples can't stay.

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Laodah Since: Aug, 2010
#14: Jan 5th 2015 at 9:37:04 AM

2 issues to consider:

1. This-here is the Worldwide Web. That means the Whole Wide World webs hereabout. Many Wide Worlders are not native speakers of English, and for them this article is utterly unreadable. This is a bad case of America is the Whole World, tropies. (Or at least Anglophonia is.)

2. Also, the f-like variation of the letter S was generally used only in the middle of words. Though the rules weren't hard-fixed, and some cases of initial f S's existed in the 18th century, it's rare and bad form. So if this article is going to stay in Captain Cook's English, it ought to be edited to Royal Navy standards, i.e., revert the initial f-S's to s-S's.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#15: Feb 5th 2015 at 2:02:54 AM

Extending clock.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#16: Feb 13th 2015 at 5:57:49 AM

Clock is up; closing.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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