Cleaning & Reorganizing Weaponry Tropes:

It doesn't have to be done immediately? It could just be started with the required tropes being made, then things get moved steadily via Project pages like Wick Namespace Migration, and TRS Wick Cleaning.

I have launched Ammunition Conservation recently. I feel that it is a trope which is character and/or plot relevant, but I want to pre-emptively protect my baby from misuse.

So for Video Game examples of Ammunition Conservation, I would keep anything that had a direct bearing on gameplay, be it rewarding the player for conserving ammunition, or the circumstances of the game making it necessary to conserve ammunition.

I think we're fine for now; my somewhat-recent launch Boulder Bludgeon was made with the intent to only collect examples that showed something about the character and their mindset, to keep it from degrading into just "character uses a rock".

An example of a bad Weapon Trope though is Sai Guy, which is just "Character likes sais".

It looks fine. A good weapon trope focuses on the situations where that particular weapon would be used for and what it says about the to the character/work/setting.

Since the thread has been revived and we could use an actual agenda, maybe we can focus on fixing (or nixing) Sai Guy since it was mentioned ?

Bumping

I believe that the trope has at least as many chairs as a small banquet hall; that is to say, based on the laconic, it seems to think that using sais as weapons is a trope.

To its credit, it points out how much artistic license is used in Sai-Wielding, but I assume that there is a trope which covers that principle.

Yeah there isnt much to the trope at all besides characters who use sais. Not even a mention of personalities are archtypes assciated with it. Seems to be an easy cut candidate.

Agree.

TRS?

TRS sandbox linked in sig.

This is an issue, but we have a massive number of threads still waiting to be resolved. Let's not add more unless the problem is dire or the backlog clears up, okay?

Added the following to the sandbox:

• Sai Guy: Based on the laconic, it seems to think that using sais as weapons is trope-worthy. To its credit, it points out how much artistic license is used in Sai-Wielding, but presumably there is a trope which covers artistic license as it applies to weaponry.

Looks good

I think it would be easier to just have this thread be like the Appearance clean up thread so we can actively work on the weapon tropes as a group. Before the thread was revived, we already had several pages of people talking about what needs to be done to certain weapon tropes here but then nothing gets mobilized.

That would be ideal, if this can be active enough for that.

Funny that this thread has been come up again as I have been wondering about Chainsaw Good. At the moment the page is about anything chaninsaw/powered saw like used as a weapon and covers everything from chaninsaws picked up as an Improvised Weapon to chainsaw like things specifically designed as a weapon and never intended to be used like a traditional chainsaw. I was thinking (if and when I have the time) of making a TLP proposal for Chain Sword (currently a redirect to Chainsaw Good) that specifically covered the second half of this description but as it would effectively be a page split and changing a redirect I wondered if it should go to TRS first, something I am reluctant to do due to the massive backlog. Any ideas?

Edited by SebastianGray on May 12th 2020 at 9:39:55 AM

Do Chain Swords carry the same Ax Craxy connotations as Chainsaw Good?

It's more about brutality (causing the most damage possible in the messiest and noisiest way possible) than Ax-Crazy (although that isn't a requirement for the Chainsaw Good trope, the description just says that that is one possible user and it isn't mentioned on the Playing With or Laconic pages). Chain Sword would also be a sub-trope of Enhanced Archaic Weapon and I feel their impracticality as weapons in real life (you use chainsaws and swords in totally different ways yet many depictions of chain weapons in fiction I have seen seem to use them like their normal counterparts) would make them more than just People Sit On Chairs when they are used as effective weapons in fiction.

For Sai Guy I changed "artistic license as it applies to weaponry." to "artistic license as it applies to melée combat." since I wanted to accurately point out the concerns.

I don't know the ins and outs of chainsaw good, so I don't know what its seating capacity is.

Also, are Handguns really a trope? Or should they be a Useful Note?

Edit: NVM, I think I found the answer. I personally think they should be a useful note.

That is problematic.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Dec 7th 2020 at 3:10:32 PM

Oh the impracticality aspect is what makes them tropes was just wondering one would avoid just writing example thats like "X uses a chainsaw."

"X uses a chainsaw." is what the Chainsaw Good Playing with page says is the trope:

I think that if the use of the chainsaw is meant to characterize someone as vicious, I might suggest a rename to "Chainsaw of Savagery".

If it is meant to be used for especially gory deaths "Chainsaw of Carnage".

I don't know what name we could use for the trope about characters using chainsaws in impractical situations though.

As I said previously, the trope I am proposing at the moment is chainsaw like weapons that aren't actually chainsaws and aren't used as chainsaws, the many different types of chain weapons used in Warhammer 40,000 for example.

I suppose splitting off chain swords and other chain weapons off Chainsaw Good wouldn't be a terrible idea.

The question is, would it be okay to do that without going through the Repair Shop as it would be a page split and appropriating a redirect?

This thread isn't as well established as the appearance thread, so I think taking it slower would be a good idea; we can take a few things to TRS and then direct people here for potential cleanup / extra discussion, and when this thread becomes more popular...