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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#301: Mar 9th 2015 at 2:03:09 AM

[up]I guess that's because people who trained to achieve badassery seem closer to the audience. You can always imagine that, with enough training, you could become as badass as they are, while you will never be as strong as people who are that way because they were born like that.

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Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#302: Mar 9th 2015 at 3:53:13 AM

Also, they're very different aesthetics. Why does anyone like watching professionals do anything? They have the skill to do cool stuff with what they have, that's why. A fight in which the hero flails around until he accidentally crushes his opponent's skull looks and feels very different from one where he carefully takes them apart with the combined application of a half-dozen different martial arts.

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Gowan Since: Jan, 2013
#303: Mar 9th 2015 at 10:14:20 AM

I don't often watch Martial Arts shows, but if I do ... it's the aesthetic. A kick applied to the solarplexus is just more elegant than a bullet to the head. And if both opponents are skilled, it looks somewhat like a dance. Rule of Cool - it doesn't really matter whether it could happen in real life.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#304: Mar 9th 2015 at 10:15:34 PM

Let me put it this way:

Which do you think is a better watch:

A speedrunner going through a game as fast as possible and demolishing everything in his way through sheer skill...

... or a Cheater who hacked his stats to be super high, but doesn't have the slightest clue how to actually play?

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ObsidianFire Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#305: Mar 10th 2015 at 8:55:15 AM

[up]Except that most speed runs abuse hacking to get the "best times". And mediocre hacking is hilarious to watch, while most speedruns are the same thing over and over with different RNG variables thrown in. The funnest to watch is expert hacking...

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#306: Mar 10th 2015 at 12:11:31 PM

That's the opinion of someone who does not actually know how Speedruns work.

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#307: Mar 10th 2015 at 12:20:05 PM

[up][up]Speedruns actually have very formalized rules in most fandoms.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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#308: Mar 10th 2015 at 2:36:01 PM

I had seen some speedruns over but can kind of see your point, seeing a skilled fighter dismantle a foe sounds more appealing than simply flailing around hoping that you hit something.

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Watchtower A Wannabe Writer from Beyond Thunderdome Since: Jul, 2010
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#309: Mar 11th 2015 at 12:56:51 PM

et me put it this way: Which do you think is a better watch: A speedrunner going through a game as fast as possible and demolishing everything in his way through sheer skill... ... or a Cheater who hacked his stats to be super high, but doesn't have the slightest clue how to actually play?

The issue I have with this analogy is that it assumes that Unskilled, but Strong is undesireable and that anyone who falls into such is not deserving of his strength/achievements. Tropes Are Not Bad.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#310: Mar 11th 2015 at 12:59:50 PM

I'm not using Unskilled, but Strong, though.

I'm comparing someone who worked to earn those skills, and thus deserves victory, with someone who's simply cheating and has done nothing to earn victory, thus doesn't deserve them.

It's like comparing someone who trained all their life to be a world class figher with a guy who just pulls a sledgehammer and beats him to death with it.

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Watchtower A Wannabe Writer from Beyond Thunderdome Since: Jul, 2010
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#311: Mar 11th 2015 at 3:28:27 PM

I was trying to ask why do prefer badass normal characters with martial arts training as opposed to unskilled but strong characters?

Was this not the question you're example was meant for?

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#312: Mar 11th 2015 at 7:07:53 PM

In a sense. The analogy does not perfectly relate to what he said, it is merely answering a question by providing a similar scenario with a slightly similar setup.

As a real answer, though, we like seeing a Weak, but Skilled character rather than a Strong, but Unskilled character because of the simple reason that the former tends to require a lot more effort, and skill is a much more admirable trait than brute force.

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