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Deadlock Clock: Oct 31st 2014 at 11:59:00 PM
Umbee Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#1: Sep 12th 2014 at 7:18:36 PM

I've seen this trope misused a couple times, where it's mistaken as "deity in charge of outer space or the universe" instead of the proper definition of "very eccentric deity". I did a wick check to see how widespread the misuse is, and here's what I've found.

Correct usages

  • Ambiguous Situation: Dino Attack RPG, described under the tabletop games folder, uses the trope correctly to describe a possible interpretation of some unnamed character.
  • Creating Life Is Unforeseen: Under the literature heading, Azathoth potholes to the page. This usage actually seems to apply to both the correct definition and the common misinterpretation I've seen.
  • Cthulhu Mythos: Once again used to describe Azathoth.
  • Dinosaur Comics: A Zero Context Example, but I've read the comic and can attest that the character in question does correctly apply to the trope.
  • Dogma: Unquestionably correct.
  • Fire Emblem: Used correctly to describe Anna.
  • God: Appears in the trope description, noting that the King of All Cosmos is an increasingly-popular way to parody the God supertrope.
  • God Is Evil: The second usage, applying to God's portrayal in South Park, is correct. This same page has another, incorrect usage that I've detailed below.
  • Haruhi Suzumiya Misc: The WMG in question is "The whole universe the series is set in is one big experimental scenario run by a wacky King of All Cosmos". The subsequent explanation uses the trope correctly.
  • Katamari Damacy: There is a Trope Namer pothole in the description, but the examples themselves do correctly apply the trope to said Trope Namer.
  • Mad God: The trope description mentions that some overlap between these two tropes is common.
  • Magic Knight Rayearth: Used to describe Mokona. The wording led me to believe that it was misuse at first glance, but the other examples that apply to the same character suggest that it might actually be used correctly.
  • Mega Neko: "Kamisama, the wacky, color-changing, vending machine-dwelling, King of All Cosmos cat-thing with a Verbal Tic from Pani Poni Dash." Context makes this usage sound correct to me.
  • Oh, My Gods!: "'Dios!' was a common invocation for Avelians in pre-v5 Open Blue. It doesn't really help that 'Dios' is simply Spanish for 'God', but El Dios himself is actually not that normal of a deity..." Clearly correct.
  • Otherness: A gratuitous Trope Namer pothole, but also correctly applies the trope to the same character.
  • Teen Angel: "God has a unique intermediary to mortals: his cousin Rod, the giant, disembodied head of actor Ron Glass. Rod admits to being responsible for the Black Plague, The Chevy Chase Show, and killer bees (though at first they weren't called 'killer bees' they were called 'Fun Flies.' Then they started killing people.)" Looks correct.
  • The Wonka: Trope description notes that The Wonka is a supertrope to this one.
  • Futurama Tropes I to N: Correctly used to describe the Galactic Entity, complete with a quote to back up the example.
  • Young Wizards: "He's the local God, and his favorite pastime is to incarnate as a dog because he likes the 'spell it backwards joke'. According to the Transcendent Pig, He has fondness for bad old jokes." Unquestionably correct.

Incorrect or unclear usages

Conclusion: Lots of correct use, plenty of misuse, and tons of unnecessary potholes applied to the Trope Namer. All of the clear cases of misuse seem to be a result of the trope's current name being taken literally.

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#2: Sep 13th 2014 at 5:22:25 AM

Opened, it does look like this needs some cleanup done.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#3: Sep 14th 2014 at 7:25:15 AM

A lot of the misuse is Trope Namer sinkholes. That's mostly a clean up issue and cleaning that up tends to help with misuse. It something that tropes with tropenamers really need to be cleaned for every year or so.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Umbee Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#4: Sep 14th 2014 at 12:25:20 PM

I was surprised to see that the sinkholes ended up being a bigger problem than the type of misuse that caused me to do the wick check. The page only has 189 wicks right now, so sinkhole cleanup looks like a day's work at worst. I might get started on it today if I don't have anything else to do.

The misinterpretations of the trope name seem like enough of a problem that something should probably be done, but I'm not sure what. I didn't check the trope page itself that thoroughly when I was doing the wick check, but I'm looking at it now and seeing a bit of misuse there as well.

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Umbee Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#5: Sep 16th 2014 at 1:16:11 PM

I've finished cleaning up the sinkholes and a few of the very clear cases of misuse. I'll likely do more cleanup later, but several of the unclear uses are on pages for works I'm completely unfamilar with. In those cases, would it be okay to just remove the example entirely, and other people can add it back in later if they can demonstrate that it's not misuse?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#6: Sep 16th 2014 at 1:18:08 PM

If one doesn't know the work, the example writeup is what you need to use to make a decision. If the example writeup explains how the example fits the trope, keep it. If it doesn't, remove the example, with an edit reason like "Removing examples that don't explain how they fit the trope. If you know how they fit, feel free to readd the example with context".

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Umbee Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#7: Sep 16th 2014 at 1:39:37 PM

That's exactly what I needed to know, thank you.

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TARINunit9 Since: Oct, 2010
#8: Sep 28th 2014 at 1:16:41 AM

I vote we change the discussion to a full-on renaming. When the mistake happens that often and that easily, it's a good sign the trope's name is bad. (I mean, be honest, how easily would you mistake this King of All Cosmos with something like Top God?)

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#9: Oct 28th 2014 at 12:35:12 AM

Clock is set.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#10: Nov 1st 2014 at 3:33:22 AM

Clock expired with no progress; closing this.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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