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Deadlock Clock: Oct 4th 2014 at 11:59:00 PM
lexicon Since: May, 2012
#1: Sep 3rd 2014 at 1:00:00 AM

Bishōnen says that it's an East Asian media only trope to keep it separate from Pretty Boy so shouldn't the picture be of anime or someone Asian instead of Arthurian knights?

Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
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#2: Sep 3rd 2014 at 1:18:33 AM

Agreed; yank that.

The anime/manga subpage has an image which used to be on the main page. Given that (a) there is only one subpage and (b) a stated reason for the rule about moving images to subpages was that it made the main page medium-neutral but this trope is east-Asian only so that's less of a concern, I propose moving it back to the main page.

(Also, someone tried to add a cat as an example. A freakin' cat. What.)

edited 3rd Sep '14 1:37:43 AM by Telcontar

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#3: Sep 3rd 2014 at 1:59:11 AM

Or maybe look for an image in a videogame that fits this trope. I've never had much luck searching images, though.

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#4: Sep 3rd 2014 at 2:57:31 AM

Something like this? I wanted to find something that would give an In-Universe indicator that the guy is supposed to be a Bishonen (like Tamaki's pose in the old image), but couldn't found any.

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#5: Sep 3rd 2014 at 11:57:08 PM

I'd be fine with moving the pic on the anime subpage back to the main in this particular case. Also, the anime subpage's content needs to be merged back into the main page; the total character count if done would only be about 200K...not nearly enough to warrant it being subpaged.

edited 3rd Sep '14 11:58:27 PM by Willbyr

Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
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#6: Sep 4th 2014 at 3:53:20 AM

[up]It might have been too large to fit in a single folder.

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#7: Sep 4th 2014 at 7:59:41 AM

What is the size of a folder?

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#8: Sep 4th 2014 at 8:23:50 AM

[up][up] Good point, I always forget about that.

lexicon Since: May, 2012
#9: Sep 10th 2014 at 4:00:57 PM

We do agree to take away the current, right?

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#10: Sep 10th 2014 at 4:12:54 PM

I vote for Alex Koslov of Toryumon Mexico's Los Guapos Internacional. He also showed up in New Japan Pro-Wrestling, which is where the picture comes from. Alternatively, the Rain Maker Kazuchika Okada,Hiroshi Tanahashi or my personal favorite Yoshitisune. I could make a collage of them too.

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#11: Sep 10th 2014 at 4:46:16 PM

[up] I'm not sure I'd count that as East Asian media, even though it's obviously made in East Asia.

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#13: Oct 1st 2014 at 10:03:46 AM

If nothing else aren't we going to take away the current?

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#14: Oct 1st 2014 at 10:07:05 AM

Yeah, I'm good to yank the current. As to the Anime/Manga subpage, I'm good to move its content back to the main page and put it in a split folder, say A-M and N-Z for examples.

edited 1st Oct '14 10:08:24 AM by Willbyr

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#15: Oct 1st 2014 at 1:45:44 PM

All of you can't agree with Leaper can you? No one likes my suggestions?

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lexicon Since: May, 2012
#16: Oct 1st 2014 at 8:24:25 PM

"He is usually tall, slender with almost no fat, little to no muscle, and no body or facial hair. Large, expressive eyes are almost a given..." Wrestlers don't make a good image and the first one doesn't look Asian. This should really be an anime image.

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#17: Oct 1st 2014 at 9:24:42 PM

I've yanked the current image.

So do we re-merge the Anime & Manga folder to the Main/ including the image, or should we look for a new one?

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#18: Oct 3rd 2014 at 7:26:50 PM

"Doesn't look Asian"
You're aware of the fact Russia is a part of Asia? I haven't seen a more stereotypical Russian pretty boy than Alex Koslov in my life...well his personality is that of a hooligan but looks count here.

And all of those guys are slim by wrestler standards, at least by Japanese wrestling standards, less you forget the isle is the home of Sumo.

But if you want something illustrated, just put old page image back. LittleWing is a Japanese company, so it should still count by your standards.

edited 3rd Oct '14 7:27:14 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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#19: Oct 3rd 2014 at 7:35:23 PM

[up] Cut the semantic crap. Bishonen is a Japanese word, and the thrust of the trope is Eastern Asian media...even says so above the example list.

For the record, I wouldn't consider any of the wrestlers remotely fitting for this...they may be handsome but big, muscular guys don't fit the mold of the trope to my interpretation.

edited 3rd Oct '14 7:38:10 PM by Willbyr

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#20: Oct 3rd 2014 at 8:21:25 PM

Fine, crap, that's your opinion. Still, the image that "Does Not Illustrate" was from a Japanese company to start with. The only issue I could assume was that the characters did not "look" Asian, but the fact of the matter is, most Japanese drawing don't "look" Asian to people who don't assume Asian is the default.

So I gave you real people nobody could mistake for Asian being pushed by other Asians as pretty boys. If you wanted an illustrated example then there was Golden Logres until something "better". It was done by a Japanese company so that should be good enough by the logic used in this very thread. The Adept Rouge suggested an image of Cloud, yes, but Cloud doesn't "look" like an Asian man either.

If you decide to replace the Golden Logres three with Cloud image or something, be my guest. Otherwise I'm putting Golden Logres back. If it gets clocked out due to lack of activity there is no reason the page should then be image less when it already had one that worked.

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#21: Oct 3rd 2014 at 8:38:34 PM

Looking like an anime character = looking like an Asian as far as this trope is concerned.

Also, the Golden Logres should be pulled regardless of replacement.

edited 3rd Oct '14 8:41:33 PM by AnotherDuck

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#23: Oct 4th 2014 at 12:35:04 AM

Also, note that we have a trope for non-Asian examples: Pretty Boy.

As for the suggestions so far:

  • Moving the Anime & Manga subpage pic back: Seems fine for me, especially if you shorten the subpage even more by removing the Zero Context Examples.
  • None of 10's images look like this trope, sorry.
  • 22 may work.

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#24: Oct 4th 2014 at 3:21:44 AM

I'm not too fond of suggestions of Real Life people, so here's some Video Game suggestions. Mostly from FF:

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#25: Oct 4th 2014 at 3:48:56 AM

I think Cloud works well.

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5th Oct '14 4:55:02 AM

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